Dell to cut 450

Devon

In the news today.

Anyone know if Cherrywood will be affected?

ixoy

Love the timing of the announcement when DCU does its annual BS announcement of 17,000 IT vacancies...

mukki

dell are cutting 10% of staff worldwide, and they employ 4,500 in ireland!
so they could sack somewhere between everyone and no one in ireland

PeakOutput

ixoy wrote:

Love the timing of the announcement when DCU does its annual BS announcement of 17,000 IT vacancies...

at least the 450 will be able to walk into new jobs then wont they....

Devon

I wonder if this is the beginning of the end for Ireland in general, seeing that they are building a new place Poland where it's far cheaper to staff and do business.

nesf

Devon wrote:

I wonder if this is the beginning of the end for Ireland in general, seeing that they are building a new place Poland where it's far cheaper to staff and do business.

When Microsoft and Intel leave, we're in trouble. A global job cut affecting Ireland isn't the same thing. It was similar with Pfizer earlier this year, it wasn't anything to do with Ireland per se, it was a global cutback and we came off light compared to other places tbh.

Beelzebub

nesf wrote:

When Microsoft and Intel leave, we're in trouble. A global job cut affecting Ireland isn't the same thing. It was similar with Pfizer earlier this year, it wasn't anything to do with Ireland per se, it was a global cutback and we came off light compared to other places tbh.

I'm not sure that Microsoft or Intel have any plans to depart these shores in the near future.

Though Microsoft did cut 20 jobs here 2 years ago due to outsourcing.
Out of 1200 though it's not a significant percentage.

pwd

Maybe enough Irish IT people will be scared into changing field to compensate for the cuts...
Eircom are cutting 900 jobs as you probably all know - in "non-customer-facing roles" primarily. They will cut the IT department as much as they can. They are favouring vendor-based rather than in-house solutions because the managers see them as safer and ignore the fact they cost far more than necessary to fulfill their requirements.

nesf

Beelzebub wrote:

I'm not sure that Microsoft or Intel have any plans to depart these shores in the near future.

Yeah, that's what I think too. I just don't get people getting so worked up about global job cuts resulting in a few local job cuts here. Worry when a corporation cuts their Irish workforce and doesn't touch their global workforce imho.

is_that_so

The problems relate to Dell not being able to compete globally with Hewlett-Packard and bad numbers. As for the plant in Poland , that won't be fully operational for two years. I heard a woman on radio yesterday- a local Limerick official, suggesting that Dell in Limerick is in fact their most profitable plant.

From the Irish Times today (Premium content sorry )

Sources in the company suggest that job losses in Ireland were most likely to be in "low- end sales", eg volume selling to consumers and back-office functions which are among the jobs carried out at the Dublin operation, and manufacturing which takes place in Limerick.

Dell may also seek to reduce its middle management as it has done in the past.

The e-mail sent to staff from Dell's internal communications team stated that the company would look to "expand spans of control". This suggests that management is likely to be consolidated.

The communication said that Dell would "take the difficult but necessary step of eliminating positions not critical to delivering maximum customer value. We will do this carefully and thoughtfully."

It went on to say that the company was carrying out a "comprehensive review" of all organisations and processes.

The e-mail said that Dell's "costs are still too high as operating expenses and headcount continue to grow much faster than revenue".

It noted that operating expenses at Dell were at their highest level for seven years and that this was not sustainable for any business. "We need to make fundamental changes to continue progress," the e-mail cautioned.

Nody

I would worry a lot more about the Slovak office if I was working for Dell in Ireland (speaks fluent English at around 50 to 70% of the Irish salary with Uni degrees), especially if you look over the roles they are now seeking (gone from German only to include English positions including multiple new management positions for Team Leader/Manager for new teams).

Linky

wheres me jumpa

Will they actually be IT jobs though? Seems to me its going to affect more than IT jobs at Dell.

Nonetheless it is a huge blow. I work for a large multinational and its scary to think the impact they can have on the country.

Ian38HR

They offered a job to my sister as technical supervisor at their call center in cherrywood and for some unexplainable reason they just didnt process further and its not good to my sister emotionally - Dell's HR doesnt really care too much as to update applicants or explain anthing that they already accepted if they are still being processed - so I assume that even their Call Center division may have freezed hiring as well.

My sister got hired for the same position in another country and will start on end of June - so maybe its not the same with other countries but why in cherrywood call center.


almost 2 months ago they would happily interview you anywhere in the world now they are just so out of touch...so this must explain it:(

wheres me jumpa

A guy in work told me today that Dell are training 200 Polish workers in Ireland ahead of the opening of a plant in Poland. Not sure if this is true or not.

galwayrush

wheres me jumpa wrote:

A guy in work told me today that Dell are training 200 Polish workers in Ireland ahead of the opening of a plant in Poland. Not sure if this is true or not.

I heard a lot of the Polish people being trained are for Management and Technical jobs.It is worrying, in a short time, there will be a rival factory in a country with cheaper labour, wonder which will loose jobs if there is a slowdown in sales?

Tom Dunne

wheres me jumpa wrote:

A guy in work told me today that Dell are training 200 Polish workers in Ireland ahead of the opening of a plant in Poland. Not sure if this is true or not.

It's probably true. I trained in the US for the Irish subsidiary - we didn't take their jobs, we grew the company.

While any job losses are A Bad Thing, in the overall scheme of things, I wouldn't say it is that bad.