Funny hand from level 3 of GJP Main event

Daithio · 30-05-2007 4:18pm #1

Info on the players. The English guy seems very calm and collected. He hasn't been involved in that many pots, but I have the feeling he is a very good TAG player who will bluff when he spots weakness at the same time as maintaining a good image. It is his BB on my button.

The lady in the hand is weak, passive, and a bit of a station. She doesn't matter too much anyway.

Blinds 75-150, I'm on 13k and on the button with QdTd. Folded around to me (or so I think) and I make it 450. English guy on 25k flat calls, then I realise the weak/ passive station of a woman has limped in early position, she also calls. We both have her covered.

Flop Tx5h6h. (1825) Checked to me, I bet 1100. They both call.

Turn 8x (5125). We all check.

River Ax. (5125) The hearts have missed. English guy checks, the lady bets 600, and I kind of forget the other guy is in the pot and sigh and moan a little bit about having to call before sticking in the 600. The English guy thinks for a few seconds and makes it 5k! The lady thinks for a second and folds. Action back to me. I really don't think he's checking the straight twice here on that board, in fact I'm certain of it.

Edit to add that I've been playing like an uber rock and I'd say the guy thinks I'm made of granite.

BobSloane · 30-05-2007 4:25pm

Trust your read and move in on that tan bastard

Daithio · 30-05-2007 4:28pm

BobSloane wrote:

Trust your read and move in on that tan bastard

lol

Marq · 30-05-2007 5:03pm

5k! Ridiculous.
If you think that this guy is really capable of making a move here with air then I would call.
If he's backed into a hand it would make much more sense for him to bet representing the missed flush, hoping that you or her will call light.
Having said that if she's a total station he might be expecting her to call, she has shown interest in the pot by betting. If he's expecting someone to call here then you're probably beat.
But why would he make it 5k?

Aaaaaagh. this hand is mental.

mdwexford · 30-05-2007 5:10pm

why is 5k ridiculous

can he not have a set in this spot

Russh · 30-05-2007 5:12pm

BobSloane wrote:

Trust your read and move in on that tan bastard

LOL....

Unless he's bluffing he's played this hand really bad.... For me it comes down to how good you think he is, and as you've said you would be confident he can make this move...It's a pretty strong bet though....and it looks like he doesn't want a caller but with two players still in he's got to be thinking there's a good chance he'll get called...For me I would prefer calling if i was the only one in the pot with him..but in your situation I'm pretty sure I fold unwillingly and wait for a better spot with my 5k against him...

In my view....If he's beating you he's played this hand poorly...

Daithio · 30-05-2007 10:18pm

mdwexford wrote:

why is 5k ridiculous

can he not have a set in this spot

I don't think he ever has a set in this spot.

Ste05 · 30-05-2007 10:21pm

I think that bet is so suspicious, I'd feel really confident he'd just call with an A after your inadvertant moan when calling. I actually really think you have the best hand here, it'd be a pretty sick call though.

BobSloane · 30-05-2007 11:05pm

Whats the english guys chip count? ~13k also?

Daithio · 30-05-2007 11:06pm

BobSloane wrote:

Whats the english guys chip count? ~13k also?

Sorry I forgot to add that, about 25k.

BobSloane · 30-05-2007 11:26pm

Daithio wrote:

..very good TAG player who will bluff when he spots weakness at the same time as maintaining a good image. It is his BB on my button.

how accurate is this info..?..lol..
Is he calling much from his big blind. It looks like a bluff to me. Maybe he backed into 2 pair with A5 or something like that but surely he'd bet it for value on the end. MUTBS says he could have a bizarelly played AA where he was planning a big check raise on a blank turn depending on you to bet again.

Still it looks like a bluff so I probably make the sick call.

NickyOD · 30-05-2007 11:56pm

Easy call. He will have JT or worse trying to get you off exactly what you have like almost all the time here. Free chips there IMO. No hand that beats you makes sense, not one. My guess is he has 99.

mdwexford · 31-05-2007 12:06am

way too risky a call, no need imo

i think he could play 5-5 and 6-6 like this if hes sure one of you bet the river

bohsman · 31-05-2007 12:07am

Judging by the way the action has gone I think you split the pot most of the time.

RoundTower · 31-05-2007 3:41am

BobSloane wrote:

Trust your read and move in on that tan bastard

I kind of like this, he will probably fold 2 pair and you really don't see him as having a set/straight very often. I'm not sure about calling because I think he may be bluffing with the best hand or value betting a hand that can't call a push.

Still it would be pretty crazy, you have to make him think you could have been acting when you "reluctantly" called the 600.

cardshark202 · 31-05-2007 5:50am

Yeah i like the idea of a push here.

Ste05 · 31-05-2007 8:46am

After Daithio's moan when calling, a push would be just mental IMO. He's never folding 2 pair there.

bops · 31-05-2007 8:57am

firstly you should pay more attention!!

then fold!

if he's bluffing, fair play to him - it's a good move and doesn't deserve a call!

you moan about calling 600 and are now considering calling 5k?

ROCKMAN · 31-05-2007 9:30am

Daithio wrote:

Info on the players. The English guy seems very calm and collected. He hasn't been involved in that many pots, but I have the feeling he is a very good TAG player who will bluff when he spots weakness at the same time as maintaining a good image. It is his BB on my button.

The lady in the hand is weak, passive, and a bit of a station. She doesn't matter too much anyway.

Blinds 75-150, I'm on 13k and on the button with QdTd. Folded around to me (or so I think) and I make it 450. English guy on 25k flat calls, then I realise the weak/ passive station of a woman has limped in early position, she also calls. We both have her covered.

Flop Tx5h6h. (1825) Checked to me, I bet 1100. They both call.

Turn 8x (5125). We all check.

River Ax. (5125) The hearts have missed. English guy checks, the lady bets 600, and I kind of forget the other guy is in the pot and sigh and moan a little bit about having to call before sticking in the 600. The English guy thinks for a few seconds and makes it 5k! The lady thinks for a second and folds. Action back to me. I really don't think he's checking the straight twice here on that board, in fact I'm certain of it.

Edit to add that I've been playing like an uber rock and I'd say the guy thinks I'm made of granite.

Firstly, my thoughts of your reads are .Can they be that sharp if you have already miss two vital pieces of action,
As he is the BB (300 more he is sitting on 25k)you cannot rule out any hand like suited connecters i.e 7 9, etc, which he would have check on the flop hope for free card, and if he has hit on the turn he could check hoping for a bet and come over the top or flat call. (Flat call a bit risky) The river non heart A is a dream card .Check/push for him ,5k is only pot size bet
Ps this is my first attempt at trying to analysing hands
So if i am a mile off please feel free to abuse and ridicule..........

Norwich Fan Rob · 31-05-2007 9:50am

if he has a big hand, its not a terrible river to check, as its likely the girl has an ace, and u may well have a missed flush, therefore, one of u may bet, yet will have to fold if he makes a strong river lead.

Daithio · 31-05-2007 10:17am

ROCKMAN wrote:

Firstly, my thoughts of your reads are .Can they be that sharp if you have already miss two vital pieces of action,
.........

If I remember correctly I think I'd just put in my headphones and that's why I missed the other girl being in the pot. The reason I moaned a bit wasn't really because I'd forgotten the other guy was in the pot, more because by the way he'd played the hand I really couldn't see him raising that spot at all, so I didn't really think it mattered what he thought I had.

I think a push is crazy. I don't think he plays two pair like that. I think he either has us well beaten and is strong enough to call a push or he's bluffing and we're good.

Anyway, I eventually called, and got to see that lovely sight of somebody tapping the table when you've made a good call. He's about to muck his cards, I flip over mine, he laughs, and flips over QT too lol.

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 31-05-2007 10:45am

Daithio wrote:

If I remember correctly I think I'd just put in my headphones and that's why I missed the other girl being in the pot. The reason I moaned a bit wasn't really because I'd forgotten the other guy was in the pot, more because by the way he'd played the hand I really couldn't see him raising that spot at all, so I didn't really think it mattered what he thought I had.

I think a push is crazy. I don't think he plays two pair like that. I think he either has us well beaten and is strong enough to call a push or he's bluffing and we're good.

Anyway, I eventually called, and got to see that lovely sight of somebody tapping the table when you've made a good call. He's about to muck his cards, I flip over mine, he laughs, and flips over QT too lol.

wow! that was a highly impressively played hand.

smurph · 31-05-2007 10:54am

Excellent call,
I certainly didn't have him on that hand

MrPillowTalk · 31-05-2007 12:32pm

If hes a good player you have to call as its such a good spot for him to bluff.

RoundTower · 31-05-2007 12:45pm

lol I was right.

bops · 31-05-2007 1:34pm

when calling this bet with a v marginal hand - the biggest mistake is not waiting for him to muck his cards (if he was going to) - you have called him - either he shows or mucks - even if his hand is worse, the info may be useful imo

Daithio · 31-05-2007 2:23pm

bops wrote:

when calling this bet with a v marginal hand - the biggest mistake is not waiting for him to muck his cards (if he was going to) - you have called him - either he shows or mucks - even if his hand is worse, the info may be useful imo

So what do you mean? Wait for him to muck because he might have a better/ equal hand or wait for him to show so you get more info?

bops · 31-05-2007 2:58pm

Daithio wrote:

So what do you mean? Wait for him to muck because he might have a better/ equal hand or wait for him to show so you get more info?

Both

btw good call - although i hate you for it - it's the likes of you who get me busted outta tourneys

Daithio · 31-05-2007 4:39pm

Yeah I should have waited for him to muck, but when he tapped the table I thought I was correct in my original read that he had missed hearts, so just assumed I was good and flipped them over, I suppose it's an in built auto reaction so that I never end up slow rolling which I despise.

Hectorjelly · 31-05-2007 5:47pm

I was at the table for this hand, twas a good call. Incidentally that guy played very well (apart from this hand maybe) and got very unlucky to finish outside the money.

LuckyLloyd · 31-05-2007 5:50pm

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NickyOD · 31-05-2007 10:23pm

What do you do if he check raises to 2800?

Daithio · 01-06-2007 12:03am

It turned out to be a good call but I should have been the aggressor on the river myself and I would have won the pot outright. Although he did have more chips than me to be aggressive with.

I was impressed with his play too, I was very surprised not to see him at the final table.

I think he played this hand ok also as there was no reason for him to think I was capable of calling here considering what he'd seen of my play so far.

Daithio · 01-06-2007 12:05am

NickyOD wrote:

What do you do if he check raises to 2800?

I think I call.

MrPillowTalk · 01-06-2007 12:12am

Daithio wrote:

It turned out to be a good call but I should have been the aggressor on the river myself and I would have won the pot outright. Although he did have more chips than me to be aggressive with.

I was impressed with his play too, I was very surprised not to see him at the final table.

I think he played this hand ok also as there was no reason for him to think I was capable of calling here considering what he'd seen of my play so far.

I think flat calling the 600 is a far better play than raising, raising there would get you in a lot of trouble on occasion.

Funny hand from level 3 of GJP Main event

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