Omaha hands - Turn decisions

eoghan104

Both these hands are from the 50 game in the Fitz last night. Its playing quite big with average stack circa €400.

Hand 1.

Me (MP) €450
CO €600
Button €4,120,351

I call a blind raise to three with 2s2cKsQc
Button raises to 15 and me and the CO call.

Flop 2 7 A rainbow

I check
CO bets 50
button Calls and I call

turn 9 completes rainbow

I check
Co checks and button bets €200......

whats my move?

The button is OD a regular in the fitz and a solid player very capable of making moves. His call on the flop sent alarm bells ringing in my head.

Hand 2

Me (CO) €350
Button covers

there is the usual blind raise and reraise to 10 and I see a flop with 4 others
my hand 2s As Jx 10x

Flop 3 2 2 two clubs

I check, Button bets 40 all fold and I call

turn 9h

I check and he bets the pot €120

Action??

the button is a decent player and havent seen him getting out of line at all. He isnt betting with air here or the flush draw.

any comments appreciated.........

5starpool

Def fold the second one. The first one is a bit trickier cause I don't really see OD as a solid player at all (but he is a good player in general though). It really depends what type of mood he is in. Obviously he could well have you beaten here, but at other times he would happily bet the pot with a wide variety of hands including draws and air. It really depends what mood he was in. If he was LAGging it up that night as he usually does in the 50 game I would just sove my tank in against him, though I usually hate that move with bottom set.

Also, OD is unnaturally lucky far more than is his right.

Flipper

I'd be sure you're beaten in the first hand. Button has AAxx played weirdly?

Meh, I'd probably go broke in the 2nd one (even though I'm probably the only one who will say this) as you are losing to almost nothing (just 33xx, 32xx, 92xx and 99xx - and if it's the last two, you can moan about it). He probably has A2xx as well and you're most likely the one with the greater win %. He could be using his stack to push you off this IMO (without knowing who it is).

ianmc38

I'd fold both.

eoghan104

5starpool wrote:

Def fold the second one. The first one is a bit trickier cause I don't really see OD as a solid player at all (but he is a good player in general though). It really depends what type of mood he is in. Obviously he could well have you beaten here, but at other times he would happily bet the pot with a wide variety of hands including draws and air. It really depends what mood he was in. If he was LAGging it up that night as he usually does in the 50 game I would just sove my tank in against him, though I usually hate that move with bottom set.

Also, OD is unnaturally lucky far more than is his right.

I see what your saying about OD but last night he wasnt playing as LAGGY as usual for some reason. He actually was folding to raises for a change and was actually playing well. What could he have on that dry board apart from a set though? Maybe 2 pair? there is no draws and he didnt flat call the flop with air IMO.

5starpool

eoghan104 wrote:

I see what your saying about OD but last night he wasnt playing as LAGGY as usual for some reason. He actually was folding to raises for a change and was actually playing well. What could he have on that dry board apart from a set though? Maybe 2 pair? there is no draws and he didnt flat call the flop with air IMO.

Well in that case I would probably fold. I would definitely fold to almost anyone except OD.

eoghan104

ianmc38 wrote:

I'd fold both.

why?

ianmc38

eoghan104 wrote:

why?

I'd fold number 1 because we have bottom set in a raised multiway pot with lots of action on the flop. The chances of AAxx or 7756/7789 type hands being out there are quite high and with a raise pre and bet and call on the flop, it's most likely that bottom set is no good here.

Hand 2 is much closer but based on dexription of villain and his action in the hand I think its a fold. Your call ofthe pot bet announces that you have a 2 yet he still fires another psb on the turn. At best you're chopping at the moment, but probably behind to a 2345 type hand. my 2c.

eoghan104

Well I folded both and was told A7 in the 1st hand and was shown 33 in the 2nd. just thought they may have been weak folds.

All-in

Hiya its Odin, i will give you my 2 pence worth on the second hand and also tell ya what i did on the first. You were right on the second hand,i would fold everytime.As for the hand with collecter, as everybody knows, hes a total rock, but he didnt raise before the flop and then bet the flop, so i knew he didnt have the boots, coz he would have raised pre flop, and if he was slow playing them he wouldnt have bet the flop, he would have checked with that flop with so many players in the hand.he was slow playing all night coz he had me on one side and niall on the other.Anyway on with the flop, by me calling him,it looks like i have a big hand,coz i dont call him unless i have him beat, but i was playing his big tank,The best he could have had was 3 7s on the flop and i knew i could make him lay it down by the river with a €450 bet.I didnt think anyone else was going to call with him betting and me calling.Anyway you called and on the turn if he bet i was going to put it down with you behind me, but he checked, So i knew if he had the 3 7s he was going to give it up,coz he was up about 600 and wasnt going to gamble, so i bet leaving you with the tuff job of what to do, because you know that im going to bet the river no matter what comes up, plus the collecter is behind you, and you dont know what he has, he could have gone all-in.So do i think you did the right thing........... Well to be honest i wouldnt have ended up where you were on the turn, with the bet of €50 on the flop from the collecter and me calling, i would have 1. passed and just forgot about it or 2. taking a stand with the hand there and then and raised.If you beleaved you were ahead on the flop why did you just call? you sure as hell dont want the board to pair, so why slow play.And if you didnt know if you were ahead, you paid €50 to hit a 2.So i dont mean to sound like a P'#~k, but i think it was a bad call on the flop by you, you paid €50 for a 2 and wouldnt have made anymore money for hitting it.

All-in

Sorry forgot to tell you what i had, I had A734, so you didnt want the board to pair or a 5