New Justice Minster?

Suff

After the sensational defeat of Michael McDowell Who will fill the position of Justice Minister?

Heinrich

Suff wrote:

After the sensational defeat of Michael McDowell Who will fill the position of Justice Minister?

Roche

Suff

Why?

Vegeta

O'Dea

Heinrich

Suff wrote:

Why?

Agressive u-turning waffler? Might fit the bill (;) pun intended)

Money Shot

Couldn't happen, but I'd like to see Tony Gregory given a shot. He knows a hell a lot about some of the issues involved and always comes up with ideas that can help (and is usually ignored) and has an honesty of effort that we badly need to decrease the amount of drug related crime.

But, I reckon it will be Willie "you can't expect us to solve gang crime" O'Dea...

Pherekydes

Beverley is the obvious choice.

Heinrich

Slow coach wrote:

Beverley is the obvious choice.

Or the inebriated GP from Donegal. Could be of help to the Guards in the area.

Crash

That way they could run Operation Flynn the Cooper, to catch tax evaders?

AidoCQS

Martin Ferris... what was that film - training day, if you want to protect the sheep, you gotta catch the wolf, if you want to catch the wolf, you got to be the wolf...

Tim Robbins

We had one of the top legal brains in the country at it.
Whoever is next, won't know the law as well as McDowell and won't repeal anything McDowell enacted. I doubt the people who wanted to see the end of McDowell would even notice if his replacement repealed none of McDowell's legislation. I doubt they even care.

seamus

Tim Robbins wrote:

We had one of the top legal brains in the country at it.
Whoever is next, won't know the law as well as McDowell and won't repeal anything McDowell enacted. I doubt all the people who wanted to see McDowell will even notice that.

You hardly think the Minister for Finance sits down with a calculator and works it all out?

All of these people have massive teams of expert advisors doing the legwork for them and giving them advice, even McDowell.

In the unlikely case that McDowell was making decisions off his own bat from his own experience, all the better that he's out now.

Crash

Fianna Fail's new campaign to lower crime rates:

Victor Meldrew

Heinrich wrote:

Roche

LOL

and Beverly "-€2m" flynn gets finance....

limerick_man

O'Dea has been asking for finance, before defense he was minister for state for justice

aequinoctium

cowen will still need a high profile ministry if o'dea or anyone else gets finance. he's already been in foreign affairs and seems happy where he is anyway. anything besides finance (except taoiseach) is a step down for him

Victor

Em, when does he become not Minister for Justice, on the election of the new Taoiseach?

Red Hand

What about John O Donuhue (again)?

Tim Robbins

seamus wrote:

In the unlikely case that McDowell was making decisions off his own bat from his own experience, all the better that he's out now.

And what will your opinion be if the next Minister repeals none of the legislation McDowell enacted?
Come on tell us...

seamus

Tim Robbins wrote:

And what will your opinion be if the next Minister repeals none of the legislation McDowell enacted?
Come on tell us...

I fail to see your point. I didn't say that the legislation McDowell enacted was wrong. Reread my post.

Tim Robbins

seamus wrote:

I fail to see your point. I didn't say that the legislation McDowell enacted was wrong. Reread my post.

Apologies. You said it's better he's out.
Is this because his legislation was poor, or because you don't like his personality, or some other reason?
Apologies again.

jjbrien

It may not be a FF minister at all the way things are going. It might end up been Richard Bruton or Jim O'Keafe at the way things are going.

Diorraing

jjbrien wrote:

It may not be a FF minister at all the way things are going. It might end up been Richard Bruton or Jim O'Keafe at the way things are going.

Lol:D Good one

Suff

Vegeta wrote:

O'Dea

Apologies in advance, I'm not making fun but I feel I have to say this...
Does anyone else besides me think that Willie O'Dea look like he's in disguise ?
other than that I do think he's a brave man to sit down with limerick gangs!

jjbrien

Diorraing wrote:

Lol:D Good one

Enda Kenny an Labour is the only ones doing negotiations with the Independents . The parlimentary party is currently meeting in Mount St to discuss this. So it could well be Jim O'Keaf in the department of justice.

Vegeta

Tim Robbins wrote:

Apologies. You said it's better he's out.
Is this because his legislation was poor, or because you don't like his personality, or some other reason?
Apologies again.

I am an avid hunter and non-competitive target shooter and can tell you straight out that McDowell's legislation in the CJB 2006 for legally held firearms is crap.

is_that_so

aequinoctium wrote:

cowen will still need a high profile ministry if o'dea or anyone else gets finance. he's already been in foreign affairs and seems happy where he is anyway. anything besides finance (except taoiseach) is a step down for him

Cowen will probably stay where he is especially as numbers do as he tells them. On the vexed question of this thread I can't see anyone that stands out at all. They could look at someone like Brian Lenihan even though Justice is a senior post. He at least seems to get things done. He has far more gravitas than some of the usual suspects and he's also not inclined to make an ass of himself or promise lots of things he can't deliver. IMO one of the legacies of the last administration is piles of legislation but feck all passed.

Tim Robbins

Vegeta wrote:

I am an avid hunter and non-competitive target shooter and can tell you straight out that McDowell's legislation in the CJB 2006 for legally held firearms is crap.

Elaborate, reference precise bill / act and tell us why you think it is cr*p. Any legislation against any gun is good as far as I am concerned.

Judt

Well it seems like most of Limerick already votes for Willie, so that solves that problem. Plus the above poster being placed all over the country will do wonders I think.

Crash

I think it'd work. with the top and bottom covered with black, Willie looks even more menacing with that gun. Hell I can just imagine commiting a crime, wandering down a back alley and a limerick accent saying "...do you feel lucky? well, do yeh, Punk?!" and the light glinting off a combed moustache in the darkness.

E92

jjbrien I rather hope its not Jim O'Keeffe. Alan Shatter would make a much better minister of justice IMO. Anyway who says its gonna happen? Its still very much an outside chance. But anytime I've seen a FFer on public airwaves in the past 2 to 3 days they dont look too happy:D. Endas attitude is working much better than I though it would. Surely if the PDs want to reclaim any last bit of credability they would say no to a deal with FF. Interesting times ahead.

Heinrich

Howlin would be a good candidate!

seamus

Tim Robbins wrote:

Is this because his legislation was poor, or because you don't like his personality, or some other reason?

I said If he was legislating off his own bat (i.e. without consulting others), then it's better that he's out. Apologies if that wasn't clear

jjbrien

E92 wrote:

jjbrien I rather hope its not Jim O'Keeffe. Alan Shatter would make a much better minister of justice IMO. Anyway who says its gonna happen? Its still very much an outside chance. But anytime I've seen a FFer on public airwaves in the past 2 to 3 days they dont look too happy:D. Endas attitude is working much better than I though it would. Surely if the PDs want to reclaim any last bit of credability they would say no to a deal with FF. Interesting times ahead.

Jim O'Keeffe is not afraid to speak out against criminals in a better way than Mc Dowell did hes not affraid of taking them head on. I think he would be much better than Shatter. But I do agree very interesting times ahead and would love if we could silence all those people who say why cant Enda admit defeat.

Tim Robbins

seamus wrote:

I said If he was legislating off his own bat (i.e. without consulting others), then it's better that he's out. Apologies if that wasn't clear

Well everything has to go through cabinet / Dail anyway.
Where Mcdowell stood out was he proposed a lot of legislation, not all of it made it through - Cafe Bar's being a good example.
Some Ministers don't propose much at all because they are afraid it will not please the masses, McDowell just got on with it.

E92

Well we'll have to agree to differ on Jim O'Keffee jjbrien. Personally I find him as dull as the ditch and he should be able to do better than get his facts on crime wrong. I cringed when Enda was forced to admit that they were wrong on the TV debate. I find Alan Shatter to be much more effective when it comes to communicating his message and more agreeable, but thats just me. I still think we're better off out of Government just yet. But with a possible bye election(Beverlys finances and it would be nice to a 4th seat for FG in Mayo, we were so close IIRC), the financial affairs of the Taoiseach under question(again) it is getting more and more tempting. As for the PDs, the rough edges of the party have been smoothened out, the hate figure of the PDs for Fine Gael was surprise surprise Michael Mc Dowell, Mary Harney is much more appealing(so long as she doesnt get health, if the alternative is to have any credability then she has to go from there, but I'd love to put her into transport and privatise CIE and create a bit of havoc for the semi state companies who get away with at best lousy performance and a lot wose at worst), as for Grealish, the old adage "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" applies for him. In other words a junior ministary of some description.

Vegeta

Tim Robbins wrote:

Elaborate, reference precise bill / act and tell us why you think it is cr*p. Any legislation against any gun is good as far as I am concerned.

Highlights your ignorance then doesn't it. Shooting is one of the oldest sports in the modern Olympics and one with the most participants.

The CJB 2006 as mentioned above, see here for relevant acts http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054971048

Some quick examples are, ranges now must be authorised but a legal definition of what a range is has not been provided (even though we asked for it)

If you apply for a license and do not hear from the Super Intendant in 3 months you can take it that you have been denied. Considering all of my licenses took well over this, 3 months is a stupid length of time. This is one of the worst and will probably end in a load of district court cases taking Supers to court.

Firearms range inspectors have the power to search anyones house on a whim if they believe them to be operating an illegal range (no proof required on their part, or at least it has not been outlined in the bill/act), even though we don't know what a range is defined to be. Gardai don't even have that type of power

He also asked for the license fees to be increased by 50-70% even though admin costs will reduce by 66% in the next year or so. None of that money is put back into shooting anyway so to inflate it like this is just the final straw.

There are plenty of shooting bodies and individuals who would only be too happy to help with the drafting of better and more practical legislation (and god did we try, Brendan Howlin put some us boardsies questions directly to him and his answers were a joke) but of course McDowell the tool knew it all. :rolleyes: He's an arrogant clown

EDIT: This is just the legislation I have experience with, if this is the standard of serial legislation he was responsible for then good riddance

Tim Robbins

Vegeta wrote:

Highlights your ignorance then doesn't it.

No highlights your peception of my ignorance.

Shooting is one of the oldest sports in the modern Olympics and one with the most participants.

So what, Prostitution is the oldest trade in the world. Just because something is old doesn't mean it's right. Bad logic.

Firearms range inspectors have the power to search anyones house on a whim if they believe them to be operating an illegal range (no proof required on their part, or at least it has not been outlined in the bill/act), even though we don't know what a range is defined to be. Gardai don't even have that type of power

I like that part.

There are plenty of shooting bodies and individuals who would only be too happy to help with the drafting of better and more practical legislation (and god did we try, Brendan Howlin put some us boardsies questions directly to him and his answers were a joke) but of course McDowell the tool knew it all. :rolleyes: He's an arrogant clown

So what's Howlin?

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