Eoin Harris on Matt Cooper just now

Eglinton

Absolutely hilarious. Useless debator. He just walked out of the studio after having a big argument with Fintan O'Toole - Irish journalism tearing itself apart today

mike65

I did'nt know Today FM were doing any election coverage. Damn!

Why was he ranting?

Mike.

A Dub in Glasgo

He ranted, raved, called names, shouted down, interrupted, throw his toys out of the pram & stormed out

Hilarious stuff

Zebra3

Who did he call names?

muletide

mostly aimed at the media especially at the Times

The Sparrow

He was basically arguing that most of the media besides himself and the Sindo had an agenda against Bertie and that they all tried to mislead the electorate. It was all ridiculous stuff really. At one stage Harris started lecturing Fintan O Toole about supporting Vincent Browne in a debate earlier this morning only for O'Toole to retort that Harris hadn`t even seen the debate and had no idea what he was talking about. Harris said he was told what happened to which O'Toole responded "And you call yourself a journalist?". Harris was shouting and ranting the same nonsense and wouldn't let O'Toole speak and as the host Matt Cooper was getting increasingly angry in his tone telling Harris to let O'Toole speak he gruffly said he had had enough of Fintan O'Toole and he was leaving.

Harris just came across as a complete amateur... Amusing radio though!:D

AidoCQS

The mope is on Radio1 now

The Muppet

Harris is on radio one now, still bashing the media about their reporting. I have to say I agree with him.

AidoCQS

Reilly should take care of Eoghan if Spliffo takes care of him...

It would be tragic if such a capable propagandaist got overlooked in this.

If they dont, there is plenty of room for Harris in the US media... Fox News... the Harris factor.... Crossfire with Owin

The Sparrow

AidoCQS wrote:

Fox News... the Harris factor....

LOL

pjbrady1

Sorry I missed that Harris rant. Tony O'Reillys Herald ran the following story in the days leading up to the election.
"Bertie - I have no girlfriend"
Taoiseach Bertie Ahern today reveals to the evening Herald how he has no girlfriend at the moment. In a rare insight into the life of the Taoiseach he says "I have no time to be honest ...." Article delved on into the cuddliness after that.

Another thing I wondered about was how RTE didn't rerun at nine oclock Bertie falling to pieces on Health figures on the six one news. Figures that he himself had used against Enda Kenny in the leaders debate.

As for the Sindo Jody Corcoran turning Bertie Aherns financial problems into an article condemning Enda Kenny was biased journalism.
Willie O'Dea has his own column.
Sindo consistently brought it down to Kenny isn't Taoiseach material.

Zebra3

pjbrady1 wrote:

Sorry I missed that Harris rant. Tony O'Reillys Herald ran the following story in the days leading up to the election.
"Bertie - I have no girlfriend"
Taoiseach Bertie Ahern today reveals to the evening Herald how he has no girlfriend at the moment. In a rare insight into the life of the Taoiseach he says "I have no time to be honest ...." Article delved on into the cuddliness after that.

There was also a big piece in the Herald the other day on Bertie getting his photo taking with the Dublin GAA team. Man of the people, wha'? :rolleyes:

Quality journalism which no doubt won a good number of votes with idiots.

Dyr

Hmm..i think you'll find that people with mental condtions who forget to take their medication can often become irrational, aggresive etc.

Now I'm not saying that harris is a screaming mentalist or anything but his behaviour does appear to be erratic.

Dudess

Oh what a piece of radio. Fintan O'Toole just remained so dignified.
Here it is: http://www.todayfm.com/goout.asp?u=http://audio.todayfm.com/files/HARRIS-1.wma

AidoCQS

This is exactly what happened in the US

Reporters stopped reporting or informing and became advocates, and then only the most looney or the ones who shouted the loudest made the news, and that ended all reasoned discussion untill debate of the issues became about two lunatics ranting at each other on TV. :mad:

Do we have to ape the Americans at everything, if we do I am going back, I used to be paid far more over there...

AidoCQS

Dudess wrote:

Oh what a piece of radio. Fintan O'Toole just remained so dignified.
Here it is: http://www.todayfm.com/goout.asp?u=http://audio.todayfm.com/files/HARRIS-1.wma

Thanks for posting that

gandalf

Dudess thanks for that very enjoyable. Eoghan Harris comes across as a very unbalanced man in that interview.

DeepBlue

gandalf wrote:

Eoghan Harris comes across as a very unbalanced man in that interview.

Understatement of the year .

This is the same guy that claimed voters should vote for Ahern because..........eh.......the media had been mean to him - http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/228-2250757.smil .
They were plenty of reasons why people would vote for Ahern but I doubt the media's treatment of him was high on their list of priorities :rolleyes:.

O'Toole was right when he said at the end that the men in white coats are needed. Harris has no credibility left and just comes across as a ranter. FF need him on board like they need a dose of the Ebola Virus.

P.S. Thanks Dudess for the link .

AidoCQS

Strangly it shows more than anything the devolution of Pat Kenny....

It only took Matt Cooper and Finton O'Toole 5 minutes to expose him, Pat the plank and Eamon Dunphy let him rant on all night.

Cooper should be doing the Late Late

bemmet

Funny -just shows me that we hear what we want.
I thought harris was dead right in his commentary
Fintan o moany has been waiting for this to be thrown at him ,
he has to hold the record as the most boringly biased journalist in that most boringly biased journal of the Irish times.
he represents that snivelling breed of supposedly liberal journalism that feels its job is to educate us lumpen proletariat as to the inadequacy of our ability to decide who to vote for .
Well people like him had his response in spades in yesterdays election -thank god.
But then in O tooles mind its because we are stupid that we voted like that .
Couldnt be that he was wrong- !!!!

Good man Harris -

DeepBlue

bemmet wrote:

Funny -just shows me that we hear what we want.

You've proved your own point .

silvine

Good man Harris?

Whatever points he had to make about the media - and by media he meant the Irish Times and the Mail - he made himself look like a spoilt kid when he stormed out.

Cooper gave him plenty of time to articulate his view, Harris went bananas went O'Toole tried for a rebuttal. Surely, if his arguement is so correct and persuasive he wouldn't be threatened by what O'Toole had to say?

Give a Harris enough rope and he will hang himself.

redspider

AidoCQS wrote:

Spliffo

Spliffo Biffo - nice one ....

bemmet

Well copped Deep Blue .
That was exactly my point .

Boston

Respect to Finton O'Toole

bemmet

Well copped Deep Blue .
That was exactly my point .

DeepBlue

bemmet wrote:

Well copped Deep Blue .
That was exactly my point .

But, alas, you didn't get my point .

irish_bob

eoghan harris,s hypocrosy in calling the media biased against the taoseach is quite astonishing , it has been a love in between the sunday independant and bertie aherne in the past month or so

surely overwhelming support for one leader is just as big a crime as overwhelming hostility towards the same leader by another media outlet

besides the irish times were no more hostile to bertie than the sindo was to enda kenny

AidoCQS

I have been an indo reader all along, feeling more and more uncomfortable with its tabloid direction and FF party line, think I will switch for a while to the times

gandalf

AidoCQS wrote:

I have been an indo reader all along, feeling more and more uncomfortable with its tabloid direction and FF party line, think I will switch for a while to the times

Made that switch myself years ago myself. The few occasions I have looked at it in Doctors waiting rooms etc I am shocked and surprised at how low it has gone. All it needs now is a red banner and it will have transformed totally to the Rag top that its content suggests it is.

Heinrich

AidoCQS wrote:

I have been an indo reader all along, feeling more and more uncomfortable with its tabloid direction and FF party line, think I will switch for a while to the times

What, and miss O'Connor's witterings on a Sunday?:D

spurious

pjbrady1 wrote:

Sorry I missed that Harris rant. Tony O'Reillys Herald ran the following story in the days leading up to the election.
"Bertie - I have no girlfriend"
Taoiseach Bertie Ahern today reveals to the evening Herald how he has no girlfriend at the moment. In a rare insight into the life of the Taoiseach he says "I have no time to be honest ...." Article delved on into the cuddliness after that.

Freud.:D Perhaps Bertie meant "I have no time, to be honest ...." though you never know...

is_that_so

Just been listening to it and reasonable points on both sides for a while. I reluctantly found myself agreeing with Harris. I for one thought the Bertiegate thing should have been left for Mahon and Harris was right on that point. I also agree that some media sources had it in for Bertie on that score, but Harris really started to lose it with the "loony left" and "Shinners" stuff.
Some wild and entertaining ramblings indeed and he might have maintained credibility had he taken a deep breath. IMO he is right about O'Toole and his view of the world but losing the plot like that convinces no-one and makes you look like a fool.

AidoCQS

is_that_so wrote:

I for one thought the Bertiegate thing should have been left for Mahon and Harris was right on that point. I also agree that some media sources had it in for Bertie on that score,

Would you by extension go so far to say the press has no right to question our leaders, you have that much faith in Mahon, which incidentally is being funded by the government?

If Bertie is suffering from any Media backlash, its the one that was generated when journalists were too afraid to even question CJH, I respect the fact that you are considering both arguments, but if you feel the pendulum has swung too far remember it was Bertie who gave CJH the blank checks, I am nor convinced that this FF government has had any Lazarus change, a lot of this seems to be same circus - different clowns. It’s not the job of the media to win popularity contests; it’s the job of the media to make sure another CJH of CJH era FF is recreated!

The only thing Dubya Bush was successful in was limiting access by the press to himself, look at all the messes and general disconnect from the people they have achieved over there.

is_that_so

AidoCQS wrote:

is_that_so wrote:

I for one thought the Bertiegate thing should have been left for Mahon and Harris was right on that point. I also agree that some media sources had it in for Bertie on that score,

Would you by extension go so far to say the press has no right to question our leaders, you have that much faith in Mahon, which incidentally is being funded by the government?

If Bertie is suffering from any Media backlash, its the one that was generated when journalists were too afraid to even question CJH, I respect the fact that you are considering both arguments, but if you feel the pendulum has swung too far remember it was Bertie who gave CJH the blank checks, I am nor convinced that this FF government has had any Lazarus change, a lot of this seems to be same circus - different clowns. It’s not the job of the media to win popularity contests; it’s the job of the media to make sure another CJH of CJH era FF is recreated!

The only thing Dubya Bush was successful in was limiting access by the press to himself, look at all the messes and general disconnect from the people they have achieved over there.

Not at all, I just found myself agreeing with Eoghan Harris which surprised me. They had every right to challenge him but given that Mahon was only four weeks away it could have been let go after a few days or a week at worst.
Instead it obscured the first few weeks of the campaign but I don't want to bring it up again here as there are plenty of other threads on it.

I don't have blind faith in Mahon but I do expect it to deliver something that will influence our political classes. The recent case of Michael J Collins in Limerick is evidence that the previous culture will not be tolerated any more. If we're lucky it may even throw up the possibility of convictions but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

As for the question of who funds it, well it had to be the incumbents whoever they happened to be.

Dudess

Had another listen to it. In fairness, Fintan O'Toole was well able. He normally seems so unflappable but in this instance, even he got a bit riled. When Harris marched off, O'Toole said something like, "We'd better call in the men in the white coats too." Missed that the first time. Class!

AidoCQS

AidoCQS wrote:

This is exactly what happened in the US

Reporters stopped reporting or informing and became advocates, and then only the most looney or the ones who shouted the loudest made the news, and that ended all reasoned discussion untill debate of the issues became about two lunatics ranting at each other on TV. :mad:

I made a this point earlier, and not to get too precious about it, Lewis Black, comedian, makes the same point on Youtube (Click) here

The real problem is we don’t get any information, we don’t get the facts, what we get is spin, we get what the republicans have to say, and then what the democrats have to say, but meanwhile there is a group of facts in the middle which we just don’t get - Lewis Black

I don’t want to bang O’Toole’s drum, but it’s so important that our media don’t evolve into the Harris type advocacy that Pat the plank allowed on his show.

I do think the Harris party political broadcast had an undue effect on the outcome of the election, (a point that was raised again last night by Joan Burton on Q&A), Does anybody else feel that this was pivotal? It was the genesis of the 'Media Conspiracy' theory that the FF party line is now spinning, and it even popped up in Mahon yesterday.

Mad Finn

OHMIGOD. The bit where Harris told O'Toole not to get worked up!!!!

To paraphrase the great George Galloway: "Being told not to get worked up by Eoghan Harris is like being told to sit up straight by the hunchback of Notre Dame"

One Nil to the Dublin Man.
--with an assist from the other (sane) Cork man.

irish_bob

Quote:
Originally Posted by AidoCQS
This is exactly what happened in the US

Reporters stopped reporting or informing and became advocates, and then only the most looney or the ones who shouted the loudest made the news, and that ended all reasoned discussion untill debate of the issues became about two lunatics ranting at each other on TV.




I made a this point earlier, and not to get too precious about it, Lewis Black, comedian, makes the same point on Youtube (Click) here



Quote:
The real problem is we don’t get any information, we don’t get the facts, what we get is spin, we get what the republicans have to say, and then what the democrats have to say, but meanwhile there is a group of facts in the middle which we just don’t get - Lewis Black


I don’t want to bang O’Toole’s drum, but it’s so important that our media don’t evolve into the Harris type advocacy that Pat the plank allowed on his show.

I do think the Harris party political broadcast had an undue effect on the outcome of the election, (a point that was raised again last night by Joan Burton on Q&A), Does anybody else feel that this was pivotal? It was the genesis of the 'Media Conspiracy' theory that the FF party line is now spinning, and it even popped up in Mahon yesterda



eoghan harris as joan burton so rightly put it was openly canvassing for the goverment on the late late show 10 days ago , it was extremley distastefull
while i still think new money would have voted back fianna fail as the economy was peoples biggest priority at the end of the day , i still think harris,s performance on the late late could set a dangerous precedent
we dont want this country to become like the uk where in order to get elected you have to book a flight to australia for a private meeting with the great media tyrant that is RUPERT