3 betting .10/.25 A5s

dvdfan

Villain is loose preflop and raises too many hands, i know its not ideal to be at this OOP but hes stats show hes passive on the flop so i think i can take this down with a continuation as long as he misses the flop most of the time. Would have check/folded the turn but i now had an OESD.

I would have had a tight image. Comments on my play!

Green Joke Poker Cooma 0.10/0.20, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button hulk10086 ($20)
SB ShaveMeShamrock ($34.58)
BB privetpoka ($22.97)
UTG Nilizzzz ($7.85)
UTG+1 BIGBGFISH ($19.05)
CO Littlestreet ($48.97)

Preflop: ShaveMeShamrock is in the SB with 5 A
Nilizzzz calls 0.20, 3 folds, ShaveMeShamrock calls 0.10, privetpoka raises to 1, 1 fold, ShaveMeShamrock raises to 3.50, privetpoka calls 2.50.

Flop (7.60) 7 6 8
ShaveMeShamrock bets 7, privetpoka calls 7.

Turn (21.60) 8
ShaveMeShamrock moves all-in for 23.88???

cooker3

I don't really like it, calling then re-raising and being oop with A5 is meh.

I am not too big on the shove either, can't see him folding much. It doesn't look like an overpair at all to me. which is what your representing

Rb

I really don't like it.

Marq

ugly 3-bet oop position at this level.
I don't think you needed to bet so much on the flop.
the push on the turn would be could if this guy was any good. but although you've said he's passive on the flop he called you and now you expect him not to call you on the turn?
move up levels and 3bet light there.

dvdfan

Thanks for the replies, seems to be the biggest weakness in my game at the moment when i have draws and i push im getting called so often but its not surprising as said above i dont have much folding equity. I like to play my draws aggressively like i would a monster hand but i think i need to pick better spots, this isnt exactly a great draw and it looks obvious he has a big hand after calling my flop bet.

He Had TT and the 9 hit on the river giving him a higher straight. As said too against a better player he might be folding TT on that flop considering my image but its just not worth it at this level.

robinlacey

i don't think you need to start 3betting much at all till you get to at least 1/2,probably 2/4.
the two main reasons to 3bet are

-sometimes they fold,which probably isn't the case at these stakes,and

-you will be playing too obviously if you only reraise premium hands,again i don't think applies here because hardly anyone is paying attention at these stakes at all,theres no need to consider metagame,just play tight and get payed off..

robinlacey

also i pretty much never 3bet with A5s,it'll get you in too many tricky spots

Rb

robinlacey wrote:

also i pretty much never 3bet with A5s,it'll get you in too many tricky spots

Especially OOP.

dvdfan

robinlacey wrote:

i don't think you need to start 3betting much at all till you get to at least 1/2,probably 2/4.
the two main reasons to 3bet are

-sometimes they fold,which probably isn't the case at these stakes,and

-you will be playing too obviously if you only reraise premium hands,again i don't think applies here because hardly anyone is paying attention at these stakes at all,theres no need to consider metagame,just play tight and get payed off..

Yeah i agree a bad spot for 3betting, but ill never 3bet without a read with a non premium hand, theyll actually fold a decent bit at this level. I tend to do the following when 3 betting:

I look for someone with a high PFR % but thats passive post flop or a low continuation bet % and ill 3 bet them alot in position simply because i probably have the better hand alot of time and if i dont ill more than likely be RR and i can get away from it.

If we see the flop i have position and if he bets and he has a low continuation bet % i.e 50% or < imo then i know hes hit and depending on wheter i hit or not or the strength of my hand i can get out.

I dont over do it though but i might against someone that i thinks gettings out of line, he might fold a few times until he realises im playing him and then he might play back but hell eventually slow down. Against someone that keeps raising especially with someone with a 20% PFR or higher alot of times im going to have the better hand.

So im not really 3betting to disguise when i have a premium hand im 3betting for value because ill have the better hand alot of the time, even with A5s if im in position theyll have Kx,Qx, 2 suited cards, medium pairs etc and as long as i can get away from a hand like A5s if im getting heat against a passive opponent then i think its fine. I also have folding equity as long as the player has a high PFR% and im never doing against a someone with a low PFR%.

TacT

robinlacey wrote:

-you will be playing too obviously if you only reraise premium hands,again i don't think applies here because hardly anyone is paying attention at these stakes at all,theres no need to consider metagame,just play tight and get payed off..

wait for the cards and position dvdfan, it's the only way to make steady, solid profit at these stakes, unless you are a seriously talented lag but that takes a long time to master. By just being patient and disciplined you should easily be ticking over at a healthy bb/100. If you're going to be reraising anyone with a marginal hand, do it in position and make sure he is a serial raiser who will lay down and respect your bet because you really have been playing tight.