Extra Time Rules.

squire1

The thread on comebacks reminded me of an incident a few years ago when Kildare played Roscommon in the qualifiers down in Portlaoise.

With a couple of minutes to go in normal time a Roscommon player was given a second yellow card and left the field. The game went to extra time and the same Roscommon player came back on to make up 15 players again. Within a couple of minutes the same player was involved in an incident with a Kildare player who had received a yellow card in normal time. Both players received yellow cards and because it was the second yellow for that Kildare player in the game he was sent to the line. The Roscommon player, having received two yellows in normal time and a further yellow in extra time was allowed stay on the pitch.

Can anyone see any logic to this whatsoever? Apparently it is all above board and according to the rule book.

Someone tried to explain it to me saying that extra time is a new game so the Ross player was entitled to come back on. But if that is the case, how come the yellow card received in normal time was carried over into the "new game" for the Kildare player?

blackbelt

the refs siamese cousin was probablt from roscommon and two wrongs don't make a right but three do

kevmy

Yeah it's seen as a new game alright I think Graham Geraghty (or some other Meath fecker) pulled the same trick before after been sent of in normal time.
Don't know the story with the Kildare player though.

squire1

Yeah, that's the nub of the issue. It's a new game and red cards dont follow but yellow cards do?

No doubt it will happen again sometime in a higher profile game and then the sh1t will hit the fan.

Want to book your seats in the high court anyone?:D

gaelic cowboy

I remember few years ago Vinny Murphy I think it was got sent off against Louth he pretended to leave ref never noticed and I am nearly sure he was involved in at least one score for Dublin :eek:

kevmy

Charlie Redmond in the final in '95 when he got sent off and was told to go twice but refused and was definetly involved in a couple of scores.

andrew1977

Its a stupid rule to allow a team reduced to 14 men go back to the 15 for extra time , happened yesterday in the louth v wicklow match

any team if they get a man sent off deserve to be punished until the end of the contest that day , especially extra time ,
You wouldnt see it in any other sport, a team reduced in numbers ,allowed back up to full quota for extra time

Grudaire

I thought the rule was that the player couldn't return, but its 15 a side, just with another player added on.

squire1

Nope, because it was two yellows, no automatic suspension, so he was free to come back on as it was a new game.

But the whole point was that red card did not carry over into extra time but yellow cards do. Why is that, if it is a new game? Is it just a glitch in the rules (there are many) or is there some logic behind it? As I say, wait for it to happen in Croke Park in front of 80,000 people in an AI semi final replay and see the sh1t hit the fan.

gucci

not sure about yesterday, but the game with kildare and roscommon if im not mistaken seamus oneill was the one recieving the red card but he i dont think it was him that returned to the pitch to field 15 players,think it was john teirnan or john rodgers. this is also the same game that martin carney gave out about players "faking injury" when morgan byrne BROKE his collar bone!!!:p

but getting back to the original topic....a player who gets two yellows is suspended til 12 o'clock that night or something like that, so it only applies for tournaments and in this case the extra time. bit stupid that the yellows carry into the "new game" but im sure people would claim that players would be given the freedom to put in another "heavy" hit on a player and only recieve a yelow

thirdmantackle

O'neill should not have been allowed to play in extra time, but I don't think he did stay on.

however, teams have to start a new match with 15 players...

Martin Carney:rolleyes:

squire1

Mmmmm, I thought O'Neill came back on but may be mistaken on that. Drowning my sorrows may have clowded my recollection somewhat.:D
But it does not take away from the precieved unfairness of yellow cards being carried over into the "next game".

Obviously, I didn't watch the tape but Martin Carney is normally fairly balanced and has a good insight into the game so I'm surprised at his comments. I remember the match was played at such an intensity that guys were cramping and exhausted towards the end, maybe there was a bit of lying down but who could blame them.

gucci

i was at the game myself but as a rossie i had to endure the match being replayed for about a week solid in my local!! il try get the video and take a look at it just for historys sake!!

thirdmantackle

get me a copy of that game. and the game vs Offaly.

gucci

dont think the offaly game was on tv, but if i can get the kildare game il do you a copy....not sure how readily available blank videos are these days but the original might not exist as the premises its was on has been demolished and rebuilt so it could have been careless disguarded

Mushy

Same incident with Gill getting sent off on Sunday. He never came back on the pitch at the start of extra time, was a different player.