$1/$2 NLHE - comments please

BigCityBanker

effective stacks $200.

I limp in in the cuttoff with A7 of spades, and the button makes it $10. Two people call so I do as well.

Flop ($40) is 5 6 9 with two spades.

Big Blind Checks, and utg + 1 leads out for $20

I make it $120

Preflop Raiser thinks for a long while and folds

Big Blind Folds

Utg + 1 thinks for a while and calls.

Turn is a 4 of hearts, now giving me a openended straight draw. (280 in the pot). He checks and I push all in for another $50 odd. He thinks again and calls with 9 10.

comments?

Goodluck2me

on first glance it looks like a thread for the bad beat sticky. so quickly take out the results there noel and ill edit this suitaby.
I dont like your flop raise, i think 70 i fine for that. 120 is a massive overbet, youmay as well push all in as you cant fold any turn.
I personally dont like it.
I would raise to $50/60 and play the hand in position against what is likely to be one opponent.
this means that he most likely checks to you on the turn where you can see a cheaper river.

Have you any stats on the villains?

Edit also you should have buddy listed him quick as a flash obv.

valor

comments are the villain sucks really badly

preflop i would raise, on the flop i would raise smaller and as played check the turn you have lots of outs and no folding equity

Katooey

Your preflop play sucks

Raising too much on the flop - you may as well push as make it 120

BrokenArrows

raising to 120 leaving 50 behind is pretty bad. villan has no choice but to call on the turn.

bottom feeder

BigCityBanker wrote:

effective stacks $200.

I limp in in the cuttoff with A7 of spades, and the button makes it $10. Two people call so I do as well.

Flop ($40) is 5 6 9 with two spades.

Big Blind Checks, and utg + 1 leads out for $20

I make it $120

Preflop Raiser thinks for a long while and folds

Big Blind Folds

Utg + 1 thinks for a while and calls.

Turn is a 4 of hearts, now giving me a openended straight draw. (280 in the pot). He checks and I push all in for another $50 odd. He thinks again and calls with 9 10.

comments?

if i was in your position i'd just call the flop bet as to keep the pot small, your getting to see a cheap turn to hit the nut flush.... when the 4 comes i'd probably raise him all in with the open ended and flush draw....

BCB unless he has some sort of a sick read on you SIZE="1"]eye twitching or some shlt[/SIZE its dreadful play on his behalf.... with such a heavy board

BigCityBanker

goodluck2me wrote:

on first glance it looks like a thread for the bad beat sticky. so quickly take out the results there noel and ill edit this suitaby.

just looking for opinions on the hand... result doesnt matter

phantom_lord

if he's gonna call you with 910, then i think calling the flop bet is way better than raising.

Goodluck2me

BigCityBanker wrote:

just looking for opinions on the hand... result doesnt matter

so why include them? that was precisely my point!

Goodluck2me

phantom_lord wrote:

if he's gonna call you with 910, then i think calling the flop bet is way better than raising.

why? we fair out really well against 9x hands. We have 9 spades, 3 aces and 3 non-spade eights to improve. i like the raise but not as much, we haev more FE on the turn, or we can see a river often for cheap, also he may not pay us off if we spade-up on the tur, so the extra raise is value.

phantom_lord

goodluck2me wrote:

why? we fair out really well against 9x hands. We have 9 spades, 3 aces and 3 non-spade eights to improve. i like the raise but not as much, we haev more FE on the turn, or we can see a river often for cheap, also he may not pay us off if we spade-up on the tur, so the extra raise is value.

what makes raising profitable is fe, which you have none of if he's calling with 910.

Hectorjelly

phantom_lord wrote:

if he's gonna call you with 910, then i think calling the flop bet is way better than raising.

We dont know he is going to call before the hand!

phantom_lord

lol. you know what i mean! if bcb knows him as a complete station semi-bluffing is a bit pointless.

Bandana boy

We know that he(nobody) will fold for 50 on the turn so pushing flop is better than betting 120 on flop and 50 on turn
Now that you know our friend is committed to the hand and you know you need to hit why not check the turn ?

Our villain has either made a great call against you or is just a calling station if you know the latter then raising so much was a mistake making it 50 will fold out stealing hands that are going to fold.
Calling though against these guys is better and push/overbet when/if you hit

Hectorjelly

Nowadays since most poker is playing on the internet, its quite common that you play a hand and know very little about your opponent. I assume this was the case with BCB, because im sure if he knew what a calling station the guy was he may of considered just calling!

Also his hand is so big on the flop even if you think you are getting called a huge % of the time raising is still profitable, unless this guy is so bad he will pay us off when we hit our obvious draws.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2678348
pokenum -h as 7s - 9d td -- 5s 6s 9c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 6s 5s 9c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 7s 536 54.14 454 45.86 0 0.00 0.541
Td 9d 454 45.86 536 54.14 0 0.00 0.459

buck65

OP
I think you played it well.
Similar to my style.
You have alot of outs.

semibluff

As played check the turn, he cannot fold to your all in bet, you may aswell see the river first.

A bet of about 60/70 on the flop is ok, and when he dwells you should realise he's committed to calling if another rag lands. Although checking turn with 120 or so behind you stinks of a draw, against these nits id prob just check turn, fold if i didnt hit (unless river was a scare card, and if i had been playing with him alot and though he could fold . . . but if unsure at all id let it go,) and value bet if i did hit.

AmarilloFats

this is one of them there "I was the villain" hands.

Is that an open limp with A7s !!!???
Why not just push flop rather than 120 and leaving 50 behind for turn..although I think $65 - 75 would be best

Raise preflop and this hand plays itself

BigCityBanker

AmarilloFats wrote:

this is one of them there "I was the villain" hands.

Is that an open limp with A7s !!!???
Why not just push flop rather than 120 and leaving 50 behind for turn..although I think $65 - 75 would be best

Raise preflop and this hand plays itself

eh not exactly, but your close.

shoutman

Agree with Amarillo totally, I hate openlimping!

BuChan

if you'd have raised this hand preflop i think it would have played out differently, as the raise on the flop would credibly be an overpair or some made hand.
i don't think the villian's call was too bad. you're overbet really looks like draw. you're unlikely to have 1010 or better since you limped in the cutoff, a set wouldn't ordinarily raise this much.... ditto for a straight. you kind of flipped your hand face up. when i'm playing pot limit and i make a flop raise on a big draw forced to leave very little behind i usually push the turn even with the fe gone out of sheer frustration. but, as the others said above you should probably check the turn and save 50 if you miss the river.

empirix

Terrible

comments you both suck
€120 what an amzing overbet by you
and what an even more amazing call with 9,10

Bandana boy

I have no problem openlimping suited aces here
especially if game is playing with lots of 3 and 4 betting going on you want a cheap flop with as many players as possible here

TacT

Do you limp small pairs/Axs/Kxs from opening position and play a set/TPGK/TTP/TP with fd this way? If you do then it's an ok line to take in this hand I guess although still quite ugly. If you don't then it's seriously spewy and very silly on your part since your hand is more than likely well defined to any villain with half a brain.

dannydiamond

if you had raised preflop you would have avoided this mess.reraise less on the flop and you get two cards for that price,instead of getting backed into a corner with ace high

mdwexford

limping along with suited aces after some players have already limped is not terible. utg+1 has already limped.

the raise on the flop is too big obviously, flat calling the 20 getting 3/1 is ok but i prefer a raise to about 60. as played i check behind on the turn as the 50 is not getting him off the hand so you may as well wait to see if you make your hand on the river.