3/6 hand

Wallko

Ok effective stacks for me and the villian are $500

Villian is a decent tagish player, but is capable of firing three shells.

Hes one from the button, im the button.

he makes a standard raise to 24, i call on button with kdqd, everyone else folds.


Flop: ks 9s 2s

He bets out $45

I smooth call

Turn kc

He thinks for a while and bets $90

River blank, 4h

He pushes for $300.


Action back on me????

Wallko

Sorry i smooth call turn pretty quickly too

busted flush

i reraise on the flop to be honest here. im happy to take it at this stage espically with 3 of the same suit out there, if he pushes from there i prob lay it down. i think the smooth call serves no purpose only gets you into trouble as it no doubtly did. by reraising you are in the perfect position to take it down or lay it down!
bf

insafehands

Never did understand smooth call/flat call/call... What's the difference?

sikes

call. this is what you wanted.

Wallko

insafehands wrote:

Never did understand smooth call/flat call/call... What's the difference?

lol, ok what i mean is i call quickly!

BigCityBanker

sikes wrote:

call. this is what you wanted.

^^what he says

BarrierReef

I don't like the Call on the Flop, you gain no information at all and are going to be faced with a turn bet, with a turn card which most times won't help you. I Raise here to about 120 , to try to make it difficult for him to call with just one spade, if he open pushes I probably fold.

As played, I push on the Turn to take it down there, With 3 spades on Board your hand is vunerable.

As played to the river, I probably call, your flat calling looks like a draw probably with the A spades ( but if he puts you on that he should check and call a bet ? ) , Can't really put you on a big K as you played so passive.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had AA with the A of spades and you took the pot.

Ste05

Wallko wrote:

Villian is a decent tagish player, but is capable of firing three shells.

Based on the underlined piece, I probably call the River, but alot of my decision would be based not only on how I viewed him but also on how I think he perceives me.

Pre-Flop I will sometimes fold, call or re-raise. Since this time you just called (personally my least favourite option, but because of the less than max buy-in, probably the best option along with Fold), I play the flop and turn the same way, and unfortunately it increases the times I have to pay him off on the River.

We've basically induced a push with our passive line, I'm having trouble putting him on a hand TBH, 99 makes sense, as does Asx. Would he play AsA like this, or QsQ, obviously he probably plays AsK this way until the River, it's a tricky decision and one I'd prob make at the time based alot on my gut feeling, but I don't see alot wrong with both calling or Folding the River.

EDIT: But generally if a move doesn't make sense to me I tend to call, so I have a feeling I'd call here alot more than fold, and this push looks like it doesn't want to be called, I don't see why he wouldn't give us the chance to bet a worse hand on the River if he has us beaten, very strange River push.

phantom_lord

raising is really bad, all you do is fold out worse hands and create this big pot with a weak hand on a really ugly board.

Wallko

phantom_lord wrote:

raising is really bad, all you do is fold out worse hands and create this big pot with a weak hand on a really ugly board.

100% agree, by raising the flop all you achieve is creating a big pot on a very dangerous flop with a marginal hand.

Brilliant if he folds, but a raise or even a call but you in a bad spot

cooker3

As has been explained many times, raising is bad here. As played seems like an easy call considering the description of player

BarrierReef

I agree that raising isn't ideal on this board, but we are faced with a flop where we have hit top pair with a decent kicker, what were we hoping for when we called the pf ?? The Nuts ?

If he is "capable of fireing 3 shells" we are pretty sure that the turn and river bet are coming and are gonig to be very difficult to call. My raise on the flop isn't to "create" a bigger pot it is designed to take the pot down. He could easily have a spade and in which case has 9 cards to improve where we are practically drawing dead.

By calling the flop bet, we are putting our self in a terrible position on later streets ( against this player ).

Ste05

If another spade falls and he still bets, it's a really simple fold. If he's capable of firing 3 bullets, we need to allow him to do so, not worry about taking the "pot down" we are trying to maximise our potential winnings not to try and avoid difficult decisions. It's these difficult decisions where we make the right choice equals $$$ for us.

BarrierReef

What if a Q or 10 comes on the turn and we are faced with the same bet ?

I am not really argueing just thinking things through.

cooker3

BarrierReef wrote:

I agree that raising isn't ideal on this board, but we are faced with a flop where we have hit top pair with a decent kicker, what were we hoping for when we called the pf ?? The Nuts ?

If he is "capable of fireing 3 shells" we are pretty sure that the turn and river bet are coming and are gonig to be very difficult to call. My raise on the flop isn't to "create" a bigger pot it is designed to take the pot down. He could easily have a spade and in which case has 9 cards to improve where we are practically drawing dead.

By calling the flop bet, we are putting our self in a terrible position on later streets ( against this player ).

We want him to be firing 3 shells at us, we have a nice hand, raising stops him doing that and likely only plays if he has us beaten.
As ste said if spade falls on turn and he bets we can fold easily.
Calling may put us in tough spot but also puts us in a spot to maximise our winnings.

Ste05

BarrierReef wrote:

What if a Q or 10 comes on the turn and we are faced with the same bet ?

Probably do the same thing, although I'm really just trying to let him bluff/ semi-bluff (or fire the last 2 bullets) he has a hand and a scary board where he can represent lots of stuff without actually having any of it and it's then just up to us whether we believe him or not, I'd just take the turn card once it's not an Ace or spade as basically being a blank, if he bets on an A or a spade, I'll probably fold.

jimmii

I'd be playing this the same. Its a daunting call to make on the river but those are the calls you have to make. How tight is he? Is he raising any other spades other than maybe AQ? I think he could be doing this with a few hands and only two (AK and 99) that beat you. How many times has he fired out three times and had something marginal?

semibluff

the fact that you posted this hand dermot lets me think you lost it. As played i dont think you did anything too wrong, you could face AK,K9 99/22 or a flopped flush but going on the information you have on the player (how accurate is it??) then you played the hand well.

Id say his river push could have been a hand beating you like flopped flush (no matter what he bets your not calling unless you have something strong - and so he either makes nothing on the river or the full 300, this is why i discard the 300 bet as a please dont call bet). What was his holding?

in summary the hand was played ok based on what was said about the opp firing 3 bullets (it did look like you were chasing a spade)- but if this info was not fully accurate id play the hand alot differently

jimmii

By TAGish is he a TAG who will take position shots or borderline LAG who could easily have K9 22 etc. Excluding the flush I think he only have to worry about AK and 99 from a regular TAG.

Wallko

Ok result is he had 99 for the flopped set.

Oh and i called obviously!!

At the time i was pretty disappointed in myself for getting stacked with a hand that was behind everything (flush, ak, 99) but looking back on it, i think i played it fine. Probably shouldnt have called pre flop but thats about it.

robinlacey

preflop this is a totally standard call,at 3/6 and up QKs in position is way too strong a hand to fold,and its not a great hand to reraise with.

robinlacey

also i think this is a fold on the river,all you beat is a bluff,and solid players don't often fire three barrells out of position,he has absolutely no information to suggest that you will fold river