Some MTT hands

ianmc38

1. Ipoker 20k guaranteed. 28 left. 1st to 5th are the only real payout place sof interest.

I've dropped below average stack. Table average is around 90k and the 2 cls are in the blinds. Blinds 4k/8k.

I have 58k. Table is tightish but people have been calling all ins liberally enough with a range somewhere around KJs+, 66+, A5+ I've open shoved the previous hand and also when i was on the button. My table image is pretty bad after i check raised a guy all in with bottom pair and a gutshot draw during the previous orbit and his overpair held up to cripple my stack.

I've A7o UTG

Shove or fold.

2. Ipoker 100k

Crazy table with lots of awful players. No reads on the particular guy in this hand.

Blinds 200/400

I have 10000.

My table image should be good.

I open AA in EP to 1200. Guy playing 9500 calls.

Flop (3000)

8s 8c 7d

I lead for 1800. Guy minraises. I call.

Turn (10200)

2d

I check. He bets 3000. I call.

River (16200)

Qh

I check. He bets 3k and I call.

Just looking for comments on all streets in that hand.

Hand 3

GJP Satellite 1 Ticket

Headsup with myself and AKQJT off boards.

Game has been playing pretty tight and passive for a hu game. Both of us have never played each other before so its been a case of finding each other out a little.

Details are a tiny bit hazy. I have roughly 50k. Mark has 20k.

Blinds 500/1000.

I limp in with A5o on the button.

Flop (2000)

355 rainbow.

We both check.

Turn

9s putting a spade draw out.

Mark checks. I bet 1200. He calls.

River

is an offsuit 6.

He shoves for 17k.

Call or fold?

Mr.Plough

1. Shove. You have 7bb's.

2. hand 2 depends on how bad the player is but id say your beat more often than not. id probably fold the turn after he minraises and follows through on the turn as with awful players this usually means trips or better but its very player dependant.

3. am i right in saying the only hand that realistically beats you is 78s?
i havnt played much with mark so im not sure what he's like. But im calling here with trips hu.

HiCloy

1. Shove most likely

2. Fold the turn. Minraise followed by a smallish bet is usually a big hand in these kinda tournaments.

3. Big bet into a small pot but I probably call. I think you're more likely to be beaten by a house than a straight as I doubt he calls with a gutshot and then shoves the river when it hits

BigCityBanker

1 is a fold

2 im still reading it.

3 is a tough spot.

phantom_lord

1. fold

2. ok

3. raise pf, bet flop. prob call.

ollyk1

my 2c worth

Hand 1

Fold

Hand 2

I want to fold the turn :rolleyes:

Hand 3

Call

Flushdraw

Hand 1 : I fold here. The chances of you being called by a bigger ace is fairly high in this situation. I much prefer to push with suited connectors than a rag ace. I know the blinds are about to go through you but even if you lose both BB and SB, you still have 42k for which to try and double up to 84k should you find a better spot.

Hand 2 : Either fold or push the flop. I dont see much point carrying on as you did. I fold though because the minraise is a sign strength on ipoker

Hand 3 : I dont like limping in with A5 on the button. I'd also bet the flop. As played i fold to the push. Theres not enough in there for Mark to risk his stack to steal. I'd pressume youre behind here

sikes

Hand1 - I fold if thats their calling range, we are getting looked up 90% of the time, so there prob isnt enough FE. Depends on the players though, I would usually push this.

Hand2 - Never folding if stacks are 9500. Unless your range is only AA. I would think you are making a mistake folding at any point becuase if he has an 8 in his hand he cant call correctly preflop or if he has a set, unless your range is AA/KK.

Hand3 - Heads up hands are so difficult to comment on so much depends on the game. I probably fold.

Mr.Plough

HiCloy wrote:

3. I think you're more likely to be beaten by a house than a straight as I doubt he calls with a gutshot and then shoves the river when it hits

id say hes raising any pocket pair and 35, 95 and 65 are unlikely but unlucky if thats the case.

67s is the only drawing hand i could see him playing as he will always call the turn with fd and gutshot. but any other im still not sure if marks a player who will just shove when he misses. his 17k into like a 6k pot confuses me. im starting to think folding isnt bad.



also ian, was the villain in the blinds in hand 2?

fuzzbox

1. fold - seems like a bad spot
2. if you are not all in by calling the river, then go all in.
I like your line if deeper, but here, I just jack it in on the turn (with a CRAI), as there seems to be little point in just calling there. I'm never folding this, and if he beats me then that just sux.
3. I cant fold this, there is no way he can believe you are so strong, given the action, so he should expect you to "normally" fold a lot of hands.
However, his line is very strong, but in the absence of a read, I have to call as my hand is very strong compared to the action.

LuckyLloyd

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marius

Hand 1 I fold - I hate pushing with A rag - prefer to push with almost ATC than A rag.

Hand 2 I think you played it fine.

Hand 3 I think I fold here - tough though....

Hitman Actual

Hand 1: I'd imagine A7o to be just slightly -CEV here, with calling ranges being wide. My first reaction was to fold, I just don't like it.

Hand 2: Stick it in on the turn? He looks strong though, but I don't know what sort of idiots play this game.

Hand 3: I can't fold this heads-up.

Hitman Actual

marius wrote:

Hand 1 I fold - I hate pushing with A rag - prefer to push with almost ATC than A rag.

This is a common misconception (and I used to think the same); when people are calling with wide ranges then pushing Ax is generally good.

Edit: By "good" I mean better than pushing with most other non-Ace hands. Still -EV in this case though.

marius

lenny_leonard wrote:

This is a common misconception (and I used to think the same); when people are calling with wide ranges then pushing Ax is generally good.

Edit: By "good" I mean better than pushing with most other non-Ace hands. Still -EV in this case though.

How did you work this out? I'll have to take your word for it....but I think A rag is dominated more than say 10 8 here.....

Ste05

Yeah, I agree with most people here,

1: I also fold,

2: I can't really see how I could ever fold for any of those sh1tty bets, I also let him bleed me, and hope he's just an idiot.

3: Very difficult one, I really think he has a house here, but I just couldn't fold A5 here when HU. I'd have almost certainly raised this Pre-Flop and have been willing to call a shove.

HiCloy

marius wrote:

How did you work this out? I'll have to take your word for it....but I think A rag is dominated more than say 10 8 here.....

It does better against KK, QQ, JJ, KQ, KJ etc. I don't have pokerstove here but if you put both against the range given by the OP I imagine A-rag would do better

Hitman Actual

marius wrote:

How did you work this out? I'll have to take your word for it....but I think A rag is dominated more than say 10 8 here.....

Run it through PokerStove. I'm not sure of the exact range that Ian means (does it include all Aces?), but A7o will always be better against a loose range than T8. If you think about it, A7o will sometimes be a favourite here, but T8 off can never be a favourite against any of those hands. So A7o is never as much of a dog, but sometimes is a favourite. On balance it's equity is better.

yahoo_moe

#1: can't really make up my mind - I've shoved that before but thinking about bigger aces & pairs that beat my 7 kicker, I should maybe change that

#2: Hate the flop min-raise but there are very few hands with an 8 that should call our raise PF (if you'd KK, I'd be wary of A-8 but with two Aces in your hand, I'd be happy to take my chances). CRAI on a lovely blank turn like that is maybe best but as played, I still think you're ahead most of the time.

#3: I just don't see a house here. If I was trying to get value from a hand that's beating A-5-5-5, I wouldn't be shoving 17k into a 4.4k pot - you've shown zero strength so far (not even A-high strength, let alone trips with Ace kicker strength) so a house can't expect a call with that shove. I call and expect to win.

cooker3

Hand 1: I probably push although I would like to see some figures on it. I suspect I get overly push happy here but with those calling ranges it looks like it could be profitable to me.

Hand 2: Ugh, hate min raises. I think I push flop. I see people do this with draws and also a pair of sevens enough to justify it although I don't play i poker so not sure how true that is there.

Hand 3: Ugh, thats a tough spot, as a default a big overpush on the river usually means a monster and a straight is possibility but I can't see myself folding this, you have played it pretty weakly and Marl just may think you can't have anything that calls.

Hmmmn, I should learn to fold.

Marq

1. Fold all-in.

2. I think you played this one fine, and I reckon you're ahead here a lot.

3. Call

lol donkaments.

ianmc38

Results:

1. I actually folded this. I was really uncertain after the hand on the best line.

2. Stacks may have been slightly off. 7 hours of mythical ahd the brain sightly fried. I called. He had 99. I was looking back at this hand in pokertracker thinking wtf? I think Fuzzboxes CRAI is probably best with stacks so shallow.

3. I thougt for about 5 minutes and eventually called. The one thing which should have swayed me in retrospect was we were both playing tight and Mark was risking his entire tank to win 4k or so albeit 20% of his stack. He had 24 for the rivered straight. Was a pretty good headsup game with ridiculous swings, both of us with a huge chip elad about 3 or 4 times each.

Norwich Fan Rob

fold hand 1, i absolute hate jamming with A rag from early pos, especially utg, id much rather jam the next button with literally any 2, or re steal from the bb.

hand 2, get all in in the most efficient way, if he has u beat here, he prolly just flat calls the flop, he can have any over pair between an 8 and KK.

hand 3, i cant fold this heads up.

ocallagh

fold
fine
tough one, don't know

AmarilloFats

Hand 1:

I never p[lay tourenys
But I would have auto pushed in hand 1.. Is this close??

you have 7.25 BB when the blinds pass you'll have 20% less - 5.75 BB

If you get 7.25BB in now as a 2:1 dog your equity is ~2.6bb


IF u fold in the blinds, and get 5.75 bb all in as a 60% fav (next orbit)then your equity is 3.45bb

ok.fair enuff.

Hitman Actual

AmarilloFats wrote:

Hand 1:

I never p[lay tourenys
But I would have auto pushed in hand 1.. Is this close??

you have 7.25 BB when the blinds pass you'll have 20% less - 5.75 BB

If you get 7.25BB in now as a 2:1 dog your equity is ~2.6bb


IF u fold in the blinds, and get 5.75 bb all in as a 60% fav (next orbit)then your equity is 3.45bb

ok.fair enuff.

Not quite. You need to factor in the chance that people fold to your push and you pick up the blinds.

AmarilloFats

lenny_leonard wrote:

Not quite. You need to factor in the chance that people fold to your push and you pick up the blinds.

absolutely..and the chance that you pick up a hand/situation in the blinds.
I only looked at 2 possible events..

My initial thought was 7bb UTG = push. And I still would - but it's closer than I thought

mewso

Surprised more players wouldn't auto-push the A7. I think it's even better if Ian has recently pushed because the calling ranges will probably be wider. People always talk about 55/45 shots early in a tournament when right here is where I will happily get it in and even welcome a call alot of the time. You need to double-up yesterday. Waiting for button and pushing with any two is all well and good assuming they all play ball and don't raise in front of you.

I would be ok with pushing here and announcing to the table "I have a marginal hand but need to double-up. Any takers?". Bit of a tell but there ye go.

Hitman Actual

I think it's close and doesn't really matter all that much. But I'm fairly sure that pushing with A7o here is -CEV. The thing is, your other options (as in folding and getting it in on your BB/SB, or waiting for the button/CO, etc) are probably -CEV as well, so it's a case of deciding which is the least -EV of them all and going with that.