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Nephew surfing porn...

  • 22-05-2007 11:51pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭


    Ok I wasn't sure where to post this as it covers a lot of issues in one go, I have looked around and found that it covers a lot of areas at once, if I am wrong to post it here I would appreciate that it would be given to the right place.

    Ok my nephew has been given the freedom of the great internet for his schoolwork and inevitably he has naively surfed at his own discretion. His parents have no idea of computers and assumed that everything is ok.

    His computer is screwed at the mo (with various viruses), and I have been called in to fix it, get rid of the usual spyware adware and viruses. This I can do.
    I regretably checked his history which he is unaware of and found loads of porn sites (naturally) mixed with the study stuff, he is supposed to be studying for his exams. I had a word with his Mom about this descretely and suggested that she does not mention it to him.

    Anyway I am going to spend a day fixing this computer and making it secure and childproof. I can fix the virus, clean the computer and delete history and so on.

    What I need to do now is get adware, spyware and install a net nanny to restrict access to porn sites.

    So far the adware, spyware sites I have got onto are ridiculously misleading they scan your computer but do not remove unless you buy. My sister is on low income and to use a credit card to buy some software is dodgy at least, considering the computers state.

    So the question is: Please reccomend genuine software solutions which will:
    1. Protect against spyware.
    2.Protect against adware.
    3. Be a 'net nanny' restricting porn sites. Controlled by the parent.

    They have to be genuine open source and really free. If this doesn't exist then a paying option is the only way, which I will pay for.

    Thanks in advance, any help on this is appreciated.

    Ps the virus is common enough and has hijacked the home page and pops up ads and so on, Virus is this (NetWorm-i.Virus@fp). I am going to sit down with him and wise him up to what not to download or click on to keep his use of the internet productive. Then I am going to sit his parents down and do the same thing.

    Ps I have spent some time finding a suitable thread or forum to post this and have not found one, this is why I am posting here, I hope it is suitable, if not, then apologies and thanks for putting it in the right place.


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old


    Download AVG...ah just look at aidan's signature. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    For malicious software and ad-ware get this ,its called ad-aware and will get rid of all that porn site spyware and hijack stuff , and its free ,

    http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/select_your_product.php

    If you dont already have a good anti-virus get this ,

    http://free.grisoft.com/doc/avg-anti-virus-free/lng/us/tpl/v5

    Its the best free anti-virus out there , and certainly better than norton or mcafee ,

    For content protection , this is the only one I know , its not free but its not expensive ,
    http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/netnanny-review.html

    Maybe someone else on here will know good free stuff , personally , my approach would be to show the young man a printout of where hes been ( dont show him how you found out ) and tell him a record is kept of all the sites hes visited , that will probably stop him , on that computer anyway !! But hey , you can't block every computer he comes across.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Smiley012


    I use adaware that has been previously mentioned and can be downloaded from lavasoft.com

    and i also use spybot search and destroy which finds even more than adaware does, but its best to have both.

    best free anti-virus is AVG.


    all of the above mentioned are all completely free, no hidden costs in anyway shape or form!*



    *well they were at time of writing anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    ad aware, agv free, zone alarm free are all i use & have not had a problem yet. all free too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Fremen


    Install firefox and use it instead of internet explorer, it's generally considered safer. IE can get hijacked just by visiting some sites. Not that firefox can't, but it's rarer.

    There's really nothing new to learn with firefox, if you changed the icon to the internet explorer one, most non computer-literate people wouldn't notice the change :D

    http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭DonkeyStyle \o/


    IMO, the number one thing you could do is install Firefox (or maybe Opera) for them, remove the IE shortcut from the desktop and do your best to hide it from them... especially if it's still IE6... eurgh.
    Show them how nice the Adblock Plus plugin is and I'm sure they'll be sold.
    And sort them out with some kind of firewall if they don't already have one.

    RE: the porn, I'd say put the PC in a common area of the house where supervision or getting caught will be some detterant.
    I'm not sure what you should use for software though... there might be a suitably configured hosts file out there you can download... while setting them up with limited user accounts where (I assume) they can't change this setting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭SeanW


    First thing is to reformat the hard drive. As you make changes to the operating environment, get and remove viruses and spyware and the general passage of time, the installation degenerates in not always predictable ways.

    After you've reinstalled Windows, grab the following utilities - all free:

    1: AVG Free
    2: Ad-Aware
    3: Firefox
    4: McAfee Site Advisor. http://www.siteadvisor.com/

    SiteAdvisor uses website testing and reviewer comments to appraise the trustworthiness of web domains, and rates them green for safe, yellow for caution needed, red for dangerous or requiring extreme caution. I find it to be highly accurate, and invaluable.

    Install this gizmo for both IE and Firefox, and explain to the young lad that when he sees that little bubble go red, he needs to back out of that site. Fast. Free porn sites tend to be full of spyware and exploits.

    --

    You will also need to turn on both Windows Update, Windows Firewall, and have automatic updates on both AVG and Ad-Aware.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭Deliverance


    Thanks lads. Good stuff there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭DonkeyStyle \o/


    SeanW wrote:
    First thing is to reformat the hard drive.
    I agree 100%, but more out of general paranoia... once the OS is compromised, that's game over as far as I'm concerned.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭bushy...


    Maybe scrubitdns would do some of what you want to do ? www.scrubit.com


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭SeanW


    copacetic wrote:
    mmm, my 'nephew' has been on the porn sites too on my his 'puter. it's all messed up. will try this avg stuff too. where can I direct him for virus free sites?????? (just so like, if he really can't stay away at least I know he is, like, being safe)
    Well, if your computer is all messed up you probably want to reformat the hard drive.

    Then use SiteAdvisor to tell which sites are safe and which ones are spammers that host piles of malware. General rule of thumb, you can have free porn that's full of viruses and exploits, or safe porn that you have to pay for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭irlrobins


    *cleans up thread*

    Next person who posts a smart alec reply in relation to porn gets a ban.

    OP is asking for free av, firewall, anti spyware and a net nanny type app. So if you're reply doesn't answer that go post on TCN where you'll find people of a similiar IQ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    We had an almost identical problem with my nephews computer. We used Naomi which is a pretty decent _free_ net nanny. Any attemt to browse porn and it just kills the browser. There are false positives, but they are rare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭workaccount


    I had a word with his Mom about this descretely and suggested that she does not mention it to him.

    Anyway I am going to spend a day fixing this computer and making it secure and childproof.

    What age is he? Get real OP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    What age is he? Get real OP.
    Excuse me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭cooperguy


    Excuse me?
    I think what he is suggesting is that if he is your average child/teen he will find it fairly straight forward to get around "childproofing" software. Especially if his parents are computer illiterate (which is the impression I get). Though he should probably not be so aggressive with the way he makes his points!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    cooperguy wrote:
    I think what he is suggesting is that if he is your average child/teen he will find it fairly straight forward to get around "childproofing" software. Especially if his parents are computer illiterate (which is the impression I get). Though he should probably not be so aggressive with the way he makes his points!
    Well, thats all true. However, depending on the method used to connect to the internet there could be other ways around that.

    Some broadband routers (if there was a large number of porn sites, I doubt they're on dialup :) ) allow you to log each website visited, and have that log emailed to an address at regular intervals, so they won't need to be any more computer literate than being able to open their email client and seeing what comes in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭workaccount


    Well, thats all true. However, depending on the method used to connect to the internet there could be other ways around that.

    Some broadband routers (if there was a large number of porn sites, I doubt they're on dialup :) ) allow you to log each website visited, and have that log emailed to an address at regular intervals, so they won't need to be any more computer literate than being able to open their email client and seeing what comes in.


    Yes but any teenager is easily going to find out from the internet or friends at school that theres a reset button.

    Any teenager is also going to look at porn...(theres very few that wouldn't)
    Telling his mother?? If he finds out she knows that your asking for trouble. From my pov things like this are his own business. As long as hes not looking at child porn theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    Yes but any teenager is easily going to find out from the internet or friends at school that theres a reset button.
    Unlike the settings on a television, there shouldn't be a button on the outside of the router to restore it to its factory settings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭ActorSeeksJob


    To the OP, if you want to get rid of any trojans/spyware do this :

    Please download the self-extracting version of HijackThis from here:

    HijackThis_sfx download

    Save HijackThis_sfx to your desktop.

    Double-click the file then click the Unzip button. Then close the Self-Extractor window.

    Using My Computer/Windows Explorer, navigate to C:\Program Files\HijackThis and double click on HijackThis.exe to run it. If you would like to make a shortcut for your Desktop so it's more easily accessable, right click HijackThis.exe and choose Send To > Desktop (create shortcut).

    Please run the extracted HijackThis.exe from now on. Delete any copies of HijackThis.zip that you have saved.

    Open HijackThis and click Do a system scan and save a log file. Copy the entire contents of that log and post


    For free excellent software I recommend the following :

    * To reduce re-infection for malware in the future, I strongly recommend installing these free programs:
    SpywareBlaster protects against bad ActiveX
    IE-SPYAD puts over 5000 sites in your restricted zone so you'll be protected when you visit innocent-looking sites that aren't actually innocent at all

    * SpywareGuard offers realtime protection from spyware installation attempts.

    * I recommend the following anti-spyware programs to protect yourself against spyware, make sure you only use one real-time anti-spyware protection program though :
    AVG anti-spyware(this is the best by far)
    Spybot - Search and Destroy
    Ad-Aware SE Personal

    * Please consider using an alternate browser. Mozilla's Firefox browser is fantastic; it is much more
    secure than Internet Explorer, immune to almost all known browser hijackers, and also has the best built-in pop up
    blocker (as an added benefit!) that I have ever seen. If you are interested, Firefox may be downloaded from
    Here

    * Some good free firewalls are ZoneAlarm, Comodo, or
    Outpost
    Make sure you only use one firewall though. A tutorial on understanding and using firewalls may be found here.

    * Here are some good anti-virus programs, make sure you only use one though :
    AVG makes an excellent free antivirus client, as do AntiVir or avast!.

    * Take a good look at the following suggestions for malware prevention by reading Tony Klein’s article 'How Did I Get Infected In The First Place'
    Here


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,780 ✭✭✭JohnK


    Unlike the settings on a television, there shouldn't be a button on the outside of the router to restore it to its factory settings.
    As far as I'm aware most of them do as otherwise if you forget the password the device is useless...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭workaccount


    Well I have found the reset button has come in handy more than a handful of times.

    But there could be a market for a child safe broadband router with all the logging facilities and stuff.

    I say child safe though not teenager safe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    JohnK wrote:
    As far as I'm aware most of them do as otherwise if you forget the password the device is useless...
    Really? Can't say that I have ever seen one that does, but if I'm wrong...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭giddyup


    IMO, the number one thing you could do is install Firefox (or maybe Opera) for them, remove the IE shortcut from the desktop and do your best to hide it from them

    Can someone explain why installing firefox and not using IE is a solution? A couple of salient points would be helpful. I use IE7 with Windows Defender and I've been using earlier versions of IE with earlier incarnations of Defender for years and since I started using it I have not had one spyware/adware problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭workaccount


    If you haven't picked up any adware or spyware you are either an extremely careful web user or your machine is full of spyware and you don't even realise. Try runnning adaware or spybot search and destroy. That could be enlightening for you.


    Im sure plenty of ppl here will voice on IE7. I haven't stayed on top of it as im now a happy firefox/iceweasel user.

    But IE6 was a walking magnet for spyware and malware. Full of security holes.


    I might also point out that the idea for tabs in ie7 had been taken from firefox. All in all firefox will probably always be step ahead (just like it was with tabbed browsing) because the developers are lovers and users of software as opposed to ms developers who get paid to write the software they may not even particularily like. IE7 will have security holes just like all software does and ms will suffer from their own popularity due to the fact that malicious coders who write malware and the like will target the most popular browser.

    Firefox is getting more popular but still has the advantage in that respect. Security holes will usually get closed quicker with the open source development model that firefox uses. All in all the open source development model is better and is the future. MS will continue to survive for a while yet due to their monopoly positon in the marketplace and their FUD marketing engine. But all empires rise and fall and microsoft is still riding the crest of a wave.(its downhill after that) Expect to see open source software like linux become more prolific on the desktop (desktop os is microsofts main market) in the future. Dell will even be shipping ubuntu linux with their machines shortly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭giddyup


    Some interesting and some irrelevant points. I do run S&D occasionally and it never throws up anything unusual so this serves to compound my faith in Defender. Having said that I don't espouse one product or indeed development model over another and generally find people who do irksome. Each to their own, there are pros and cons to all options. I'm just trying to let the OP know what works for me while questioning advice like 'just use firefox'.

    What has tabbed browsing got to do with the OPs question? Also how can you make a statement like "the developers are lovers and users of software as opposed to ms developers who get paid to write the software they may not even particularily like". Do you know many MS developers? Statements like that are ill-informed and don't really further the open source debate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭workaccount


    giddyup wrote:
    Having said that I don't espouse one product or indeed development model over another and generally find people who do irksome.
    The arguments for open-source are clear.

    giddyup wrote:
    I'm just trying to let the OP know what works for me while questioning advice like 'just use firefox'.
    Fair enough but you asked this question "Can someone explain why installing firefox and not using IE is a solution?"
    giddyup wrote:
    What has tabbed browsing got to do with the OPs question?
    I used it to make a point.
    giddyup wrote:
    Also how can you make a statement like "the developers are lovers and users of software as opposed to ms developers who get paid to write the software they may not even particularily like". Do you know many MS developers? Statements like that are ill-informed and don't really further the open source debate.

    I said they "may not". Its most likely and probably could be proven that if hackers write code in their spare time for applications they love and use for no money while one of the reasons they do it is to get respect from their peers (by writing good code) the software is going to be good. And open source software is good. (theres some bad too but linux, apache etc. speak for themselves) Alot of microsofts is mediocre. That may not be the developers fault though. It may be decisions from above. And if bad decisions are made from above its not going to inspire the developer now is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    As long as hes not looking at child porn theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

    That's not for you to decide. It's for his parents to decide. If they're not happy with him looking at porn, that's the end of that. They get to make the decisions 'til he's 18.

    I know for sure that my nephew would have difficulty getting around the software I installed (naomi) as I limited his login priviliges and he requires the admin password to disable the service.

    Also, if he's not computer literate enough to clear his history....well then....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭workaccount


    Khannie wrote:
    That's not for you to decide. It's for his parents to decide. If they're not happy with him looking at porn, that's the end of that. They get to make the decisions 'til he's 18.

    I know for sure that my nephew would have difficulty getting around the software I installed (naomi) as I limited his login priviliges and he requires the admin password to disable the service.

    Also, if he's not computer literate enough to clear his history....well then....

    Yeah but theres bound to be someone at school that will know how to do it.


    Im speaking from my own personal experience as a teenager (not with this issue) but you don't let your parents make those sort of decisions for you. If I had kids I wouldn't invade their privacy like this. If it was other things then I may take a stance but something relatively mild, curious and harmless like that? Sure jez when I was in school if someone had some porn videos they would burn you a cd with them. Same with music or anything. Thats the way teenagers operate.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭ActorSeeksJob


    Using Mozilla Firefox instead of IE like somebody said, will definitely help your pc be safer from spyware etc. Like I said above, it is far more secure(less vulnerabilities than IE), immune to almost all known browser hijackers, and also has the best built-in pop up blocker. There's also more spyware targetting IE than Mozilla.

    Also Windows Defender is not a very good anti-spyware program/guard. Of course your pc may be clean if you happen to be using WD and IE like giddyup, but there's a far better chance that you will get infected compared to somebody using Mozilla and AVG anti-spyware guard. And in the off-chance that you or somebody using your pc goes to a dubious site by accident, aggressive strains of malware can easily get past Windows Defender, and probably wont even get picked up or removed when you scan with the program.

    Hopefully that puts some light on the subject.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    This post is OT. Ignore it if you like. :D

    I should preface this post by saying that I use linux almost exclusively.
    Its most likely and probably could be proven that if hackers write code in their spare time for applications they love and use for no money while one of the reasons they do it is to get respect from their peers (by writing good code) the software is going to be good.

    Pure conjecture tbh. I write software for a living. I write damned good software. The reason: I have a family to support. So who do you think is more highly motivated? Me, who wants to earn cold, hard cash so that his children can have a better quality of life? Or the guy who wants to impress his peers?

    Also, I think it's fair to say that the "geek who wants to impress his peers" image has long since passed. Sure, there are those out there who devote themselves in this way, but I would say that a very high percentage of open source software is now written by people who get paid to do it (IBM developers, red hat developers, canonical developers, etc.). Isn't openoffice written by Sun devs?

    edit: I have written open source too (a linux version of mencoder with native res avc encoding for the PSP built in)....and let me say that the quality of it was ****e because I just wanted it to work. It has been downloaded hundreds of times though. :)
    And open source software is good. (theres some bad too but linux, apache etc. speak for themselves) Alot of microsofts is mediocre.

    Linux is a great piece of kit. Apache is amazing. However, a shed load of open source software is buggy and incomplete because people aren't paid to finish it to a high standard (nobody likes writing documentation). Nobody likes fixing bugs. Also, Microsoft do bring out excellent software also. Since windows 2000, I have considered windows to be basically rock solid. Visual studio has no match. Nothing even comes close IMO. and so on.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Thats the way teenagers operate.

    Yeah, definitely...but....some of the porn that's available on the internet is just totally unsuitable for younger minds who are just starting their sexual experience journey IMO. It's all down to your personal preference I suppose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭gibo_ie


    This is a great software, it is free for home users (as it uses home users as its base for finding sites people shouldnt!) and the corporate version pays for it!!!
    http://www.k9webprotection.com/index.html
    It is excellent and i have user the corporate version in 9000+ user env and works a treat.
    Good luck
    M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Fremen


    I have to wonder how effective an internet baybysitter program would be. There must be ways around it. If it just blocks websites then a search for torrents or a trip to IRC land would sort you out.

    If nothing else, it'll teach the kid a bit more about computers :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭workaccount


    Khannie wrote:
    This post is OT. Ignore it if you like. :D

    I should preface this post by saying that I use linux almost exclusively.



    Pure conjecture tbh. I write software for a living. I write damned good software. The reason: I have a family to support. So who do you think is more highly motivated? Me, who wants to earn cold, hard cash so that his children can have a better quality of life? Or the guy who wants to impress his peers?

    Also, I think it's fair to say that the "geek who wants to impress his peers" image has long since passed. Sure, there are those out there who devote themselves in this way, but I would say that a very high percentage of open source software is now written by people who get paid to do it (IBM developers, red hat developers, canonical developers, etc.). Isn't openoffice written by Sun devs?

    edit: I have written open source too (a linux version of mencoder with native res avc encoding for the PSP built in)....and let me say that the quality of it was ****e because I just wanted it to work. It has been downloaded hundreds of times though. :)



    Linux is a great piece of kit. Apache is amazing. However, a shed load of open source software is buggy and incomplete because people aren't paid to finish it to a high standard (nobody likes writing documentation). Nobody likes fixing bugs. Also, Microsoft do bring out excellent software also. Since windows 2000, I have considered windows to be basically rock solid. Visual studio has no match. Nothing even comes close IMO. and so on.....


    Yeah ms have upped their game since linux has started crawling up behind it. The real problem though is their philosophy. I use windows and its alright. Linux is more powerful and you can do what you like.

    There philosophy goes against basic human principles and people are becoming more sophisticated. When linux desktop catches up completely to windows ppl will choose it. Vista is a joke and I know its a stepping stone to the next os but all this **** about drm and everything really is a joke and do I need to mention the system resources required to run that aerolooks. Shoddy design and programming. Its costs money and there licences are downright ignorant and insult the customer.

    Id say theres still a large percentage of of these "geeks" tbh working on their own accord. Theres thousands of developers worldwide. The head programmers at the likes at IBM & Red hat are real hackers who have a massive say in who they hire id imagine. These guys may be working for money but also for respect and I'll say with confidence that they would turn an offer of twice as much money to work for MS. To be good at your job and to get on and be sucessful you need to believe in what your doing. Its about more than money.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    The head programmers at the likes at IBM & Red hat are real hackers who have a massive say in who they hire id imagine.

    I'd say anyone at senior developer level who's involved in the hiring process has (effective) veto over new hires at an equivalent or lower level.
    they would turn an offer of twice as much money to work for MS.

    Interesting notion that. A thread for the unix forum perhaps. :) Everyone has their price of course. I always say that I wont work for any large organisation again. I find the startup environment to be much more dynamic and exciting and the pay is equivalent or better....however....I wont deny that I have my price. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭workaccount


    Khannie wrote:
    I'd say anyone at senior developer level who's involved in the hiring process has (effective) veto over new hires at an equivalent or lower level.



    Interesting notion that. A thread for the unix forum perhaps. :) Everyone has their price of course. I always say that I wont work for any large organisation again. I find the startup environment to be much more dynamic and exciting and the pay is equivalent or better....however....I wont deny that I have my price. :D

    If there serious about making an impact as a serious linux organisation they should have very strict prodecures and policys for new hires. The open source community would not be long criticizing them otherwise. Being in this game means staying on the side of the real hackers and doing "their" operating system justice. Another beautiful shimmering of the nature of this development model.

    Nodody can resist lots of money. But you will work very very hard for that money if you don't believe in what your doing. My philosophy in life is only do what you believe in. Sometimes its hard to know what you believe in but with this subject if your well read its a easy decision to make. A company that relies on FUD to market their products has serious problems.

    You'll be hard pressed to find a real hacker working for MS. Theres enough jobs for them at red hat, google and the like and there appreciated. They get respect. Thats what real hackers want.

    Certainly agree with you on the startup thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭DonkeyStyle \o/


    giddyup wrote:
    I'm just trying to let the OP know what works for me while questioning advice like 'just use firefox'.
    And maybe I'm just letting the OP know what works for me.
    Why should I have to make 'salient points' while you don't?
    tbh I find people who sit sniping from the sidelines quite irksome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Make sure you restrict his privilages in the os (XP/etc) to just a restricted user, not admin(so he cant remove the program blocking it)

    also, does anyone know the way to stop the safe mode admin account being accessed so easily (aka. password = admin or nothing) cant think of it off the top of my head


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭giddyup


    And maybe I'm just letting the OP know what works for me.
    Why should I have to make 'salient points' while you don't?
    tbh I find people who sit sniping from the sidelines quite irksome.

    Sorry - didn't mean to single you out, there were a couple of firefox comments. I'm not telling anyone to use one thing instead of another. If I was I'd try to back that up with some reasons why. I'm just saying that IE/Defender does the job for me so the OP doesnt necessarily have to change all that much.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭DonkeyStyle \o/


    Fair enough, I know IE can work just fine for a lot of people if you stick to well known and trusted sites and if you keep up to date with patches etc., but going on the fact that the OP said the PC is riddled with all kinds of rubbish, I'm assuming neither of these things are true in this case.

    I think Firefox (or any alternative browser) is generally safer for the average joe by virtue of the fact that it's a smaller target and doesn't use activex.
    I know security-by-obscurity isn't exactly a well respected practice, but if it foils a few attempts to hijack my homepage and saves me hours of messing around trying to undo whatever some malicious site has done, then I'm all for it.
    I've had malware screw with IE6 a few times when I still used it, seen other IE6 installations hijacked.... Mozilla suite, Firefox and Opera haven't had a single incident... so there's at least anecdotal evidence behind my preference.
    Really my gripe is against IE6, but I still have a hard time trusting IE7 based on the legacy of 6.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Put it this way, it's simple. I got riddled with viruses on IE(to the point where it wouldn't even work), I don't get any with FF.


    As for the OP, limited account, security programs, blocked sites etc. It's all you can do really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    I recently suggested to the guys at OpenDNS that they should also offer an additional DNS service that automatically blocks porn and/or other undesirable sites (hacking, pirating, spyware, virii etc.). I got an email back with a thanks and that I should keep an eye on their blog as 'something' was in the works.

    it would be pretty much perfect for anyone wiht broadband wanting to keep their kids safe. deny access to network settings for normal user accounts on the pc and have your password protection on your router with 'safedns' set in stone within it = no bad stuff and no way around it.

    OP, for now though there have been lots of good suggestions as to what you can do to sort things out, I'd like to echo what somene said about keeping the admin account seperate and giving the kid acces sonly to a limited user account with only enough rights to do what they need to and nothing else. you could also have a look at the group policy editor to lock things down a little more if he's still messing.

    i've been following windows defender since it'sw first beta and have never found it to be any good compared with S&D, Ad-Aware and the other main guys.

    I now use AVG Internet Security (AV, FW, AS etc.) and find it to be the best out there in terms of detection/removal and it's low RAM/CPU profile on my systems compared to other similar products.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 Harrio


    I fixed up a pc for my sisters kid. The only way I agreed to do it was if she allowed me to install a great bit of s/w called Content Protect.

    Its cheap, think its about $30US a year.

    It will basically act as a filter to block any group of websites and /or specific sites you deem unsuitable. It will also give you the option to override a decision it makes, based on your discretion. Therefore, if something does pop up that maybe is a genuine site...you can simply have your nephew ask his parents to knock in the override password for that site.

    Also, any site that you deem to be semi suspect, you can add to a list and you will receive an automatic email should it be browsed, giving details of when etc.

    If he manages to bypass this, you will again receive a mail should he reach any site listed by Content Protect.

    I found that by even explaining what this software does, it was deterent enough

    If you need any further info just PM me.

    Good Luck


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭workaccount


    Khannie wrote:
    Yeah, definitely...but....some of the porn that's available on the internet is just totally unsuitable for younger minds who are just starting their sexual experience journey IMO. It's all down to your personal preference I suppose.


    Theres a lot of stuff on the net that I wouldn’t like my teens looking at also if I had them.

    Tbh though I think the best thing you can hope for is a good relationship with your kids. To do that you need to be a good role model for them growing up and take an interest in their hobbies etc.

    When there teens there always going to keep lots of things from you and that’s normal. You should be happy about that.
    The last thing you want is ned flanders type children. There definitely f*ked then.

    Teens that go off getting deep into drugs and that culture and having sex with everyone etc. usually are the ones that suffer from low self esteem. If your kids suffer from low self esteem it’s your fault. It’s your fault there deep into drugs. It’s your fault there the town bike. Not there’s.

    In an ideal world parents would have enough cop on and responsibility to not have children if they suffer from low self esteem themselves. Your going to pass it on to your children.


    So basically parents do the right thing. Be a good role model. Take an interest in your children and bring them up with proper values. Don’t try to control there lives or embarrass them. If you do that your burning any bridges you may have.
    All you do is hope that you can sustain a relationship where they trust you and listen to at least some of your advice. Then hopefully they will come out of there teens and become a responsible adult.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭BopNiblets


    What about a new HOSTS file?
    http://www.hosts-file.net/?s=Download


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I can't believe you told his mother. Were you trying to mortify him?

    What he did is no big deal and if you have a problem with it, why couldn't you have the maturity to communicate with him...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭irlrobins


    Right let's move off the porn debate and concentrate on the means to prevent access to porn.


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