Krav Maga Ireland combat skills used by the Israeli Special Forces

Stoner

did anyone attend these classes? or know if they are any use.

http://www.kravmagaireland.com/?gclid=CNm-3Zahn4wCFQpBQwodt3LM6g

Baggio...

Best guys to ask would be "Odysseus" or "IM2LAZY" as both of them have trained with that org.

If you have any general KM questions you could always ask Millionaire as he's a KM instructor.

Cheers,

B.

Stoner

Thanks Baggio...

kravist

NOOOOO...please dont let Millionaire loose on this very topic.............again!!!

SorGan

somewhere deep in the jungles of Thai land...millionaire senses his prey... krav.com!:D

Khannie

Sure he's bant by colms fist of justice at the moment.

Watch....

Krav Maga.

See? Nothing.

kravist

Khannie wrote:

Sure he's bant by colms fist of justice at the moment.

Watch....

Krav Maga.

See? Nothing.

LMAO..!!

Billabongfitz

yeah, i trained with aiden carroll for a while. must say it is very effective. it doesnt actually teach you any new fighting methods, rather it tries to build on a persons instinctive defensive movements.

it definitely is one of the most violent fighting methods i've ever seen.

Dr_Teeth

Aye, Aidan Carroll is great, but he is http://www.kravmaga.ie, different from the site linked in the OP.

Roper

I reckon on those sites they should drop the text altogether and put in the Eircom Phonewatch ad guy, get him to shine a torch up his face and tell horror "just out shopping stories".

I'd have a lot more time for this kind of thing if they stopped the scare tactics and the "increase your confidence and KNOW you could protect yourself from any thug no matter their size! " type of thing.

Odysseus

Stoner wrote:

did anyone attend these classes? or know if they are any use.

http://www.kravmagaireland.com/?gclid=CNm-3Zahn4wCFQpBQwodt3LM6g

Hi mate, Km is a much debated topic here and I usually stay well away from it, but since my name was metioned, I started to training with that org about five years ago and though I'm on a small break at the moment I will be going back soon. I have trained with as many different instructors as possible when the come over here too, but feel the regular KM classes help me keep on top of it. So I would recommend you ring the number on the web-site have a chat with Pat and then see what you think.

Best of luck with it.

SorGan

Odysseus wrote:

Hi mate, Km is a much debated topic here and I usually stay well away from it, but since my name was metioned, I started to training with that org about five years ago and though I'm on a small break at the moment I will be going back soon. I have trained with as many different instructors as possible when the come over here too, but feel the regular KM classes help me keep on top of it. So I would recommend you ring the number on the web-site have a chat with Pat and then see what you think.

Best of luck with it.

so it is regular classes in dublin?
or 12 week jobs?

Odysseus

Regular twice a week though I have dropped to once, but that due to me trying to fit in other training.

O'Leprosy

Roper wrote:

I reckon on those sites they should drop the text altogether and put in the Eircom Phonewatch ad guy, get him to shine a torch up his face and tell horror "just out shopping stories".

I'd have a lot more time for this kind of thing if they stopped the scare tactics and the "increase your confidence and KNOW you could protect yourself from any thug no matter their size! " type of thing.

Me own thoughts Roper.

Stoner

Odysseus wrote:

Best of luck with it.

Thanks Odysseus

kravist

Roper wrote:

I reckon on those sites they should drop the text altogether and put in the Eircom Phonewatch ad guy, get him to shine a torch up his face and tell horror "just out shopping stories".

I'd have a lot more time for this kind of thing if they stopped the scare tactics and the "increase your confidence and KNOW you could protect yourself from any thug no matter their size! " type of thing.

You mention "Sites".. would you mention a few (Specific to Krav Maga) so i can check them out as well!
Or do "They" (note the plural) even exist?

SorGan

kravist wrote:

You mention "Sites".. would you mention a few (Specific to Krav Maga) so i can check them out as well!
Or do "They" (note the plural) even exist?

i will.
i mailed krav.com for some info and got(a very long) "the big scare sell" reply.
a quick note from an instructor was all i was i was after on times/classes.
not bullsh*t aimed at the weak and paranoid.
peace out:)

Roper

This kind of thing" is what I said, not just krav maga, though I have found that krav maga seems to be one of the culprits of this prey on fear phenomenon in my experience.

"They" certainly do exist. If you go to "www.google.com" you can do a "search" there that will lead you to the sites you desire.

I certainly wouldn't tar all krav maga with the same brush, and for all I know the "burglars!" ones could be very effective training systems but I despise their marketing techniques. Sorry, I meant to say I despise their marketing techniques.

O'Leprosy

Sorry KM guys to well, slag off the HARDSELL advertising of KM. (I'm a TKDer and boy do I know about put downs:rolleyes:, don't think ITF TKD is any worse/better than any style of Karate, but still we get it). But it's like these SAS ULTIMATE Self DEFENCE Techniques books which GUARANTEE that YOU will be able to MAIM, KILL, SMASH, BATTER, FRACTURE, CRUSH, DISMEMBER, CRACK, DISEMBOWEL, CRIPPLE, SNAP and HARM any number of ATTACKERS with just ONE FLICK of the wrist etc.

And then they even have the hard neck to state things like - forgot about the latest craze of Mixed Martial Arts, whose techniques only work in the controlled enviorment, learn the REAL techniques of the TOP fighting FORCE in the world - the SAS, SWAT etc Ok, I know it's not KM, but one of these ultiamte sas unarmed combat books even had a page or two about surviving a snake bite in the jungle, coping with Alpine conditions, a hijacking in an aeroplane. For jayus sake.........

Roper

O'Leprosy, where do you do your TKD?

O'Leprosy

Roper wrote:

O'Leprosy, where do you do your TKD?

Used to do it at Exchequer Street with Brendan O'Toole and Gerry Martin http://www.inta.ie/tkd_centre.htm. I drop in to chat with them now and again, have'nt done a class in a long time. I trained a few times with you before Xmas, paid for a month but only made a few classes, shift hours at work unfortunately. Hopefully I will get the chance to drop into you and do some Submission on a Friday evening soon. These days I train BJJ with Ray Butcher when I get the chance.

And also do my daily 1 minute Green Beret/SAS UNBEATABLE self DEFENCE workout. You never know when you could get bitten by a snake or be in an Alpine avalanche

kravist

Roper wrote:

This kind of thing" is what I said, not just krav maga, though I have found that krav maga seems to be one of the culprits of this prey on fear phenomenon in my experience.

"They" certainly do exist. If you go to "www.google.com" you can do a "search" there that will lead you to the sites you desire.

I certainly wouldn't tar all krav maga with the same brush, and for all I know the "burglars!" ones could be very effective training systems but I despise their marketing techniques. Sorry, I meant to say I despise their marketing techniques.

Fair enough..but just to point out..kravmaga.com is not part of the IKMF.
(International Krav Maga Federation) They are based in the US and are very much into the hard sell. In fact, the money driven instructors on this side of the pond are moving more towards their marketing techniques..how..by joining their organisation.
In fact a former Director of the IKMF (UK and Ireland) has swapped his allegences.
Just to also mention, the IKMF and the people behind kravmaga.com are in a legal struggle over copyright of the name Krav Maga. The .com people claiming exclusive right to it's use in the USA.

who007

Yep - just did a weekend session with Pat...
I also attended one of the one day courses a few weeks ago with Aidan - (kravmaga.ie)
And as I stated I would elsewhere on this forum, I will give you a rundown from someone (me) who doesn't claim to be a fantastic martial artist, someone who has had a long time interest in martial arts and has sporadically trained in a few different arts including Kenpo and Shotokan.
A couple of things you should bear in mind before you read the rest of what I have to say:
I like martial arts - always have. I love the philosophical/spiritual/fancy names for techniques.... yep, slag me all you want, I do!
I enjoyed learning kata. It was something to focus on and practice and I enjoyed it.. but I totally agree that it means absolute diddly in a fight!
lastly, I work shift and I'm a single dad who has to factor in family time with his kid, and I live out in the sticks where there's bugger all in the way of MMA/MA/SD classes/clubs that I can attend.
I'm also far too interested in other sports (I'm a marathon runner, I also enjoy weight training, climbing, Yoga).. to dedicate all my time to MA/SD etc...
I wanted to quickly learn a system that did what the KM sites said they did... a few no BS,no nonsense, easy to assimilate techniques that I felt would really work for me given I don't want to dedicate my life to MA and I have enough physical fitness and cop on to acquire these skills in a couple of days.

So with that in mind I'll give you a relative outsider's view into the KM scene:

Aidan's 1 day class was good. He's a friendly guy and his assistant was good. We learned 5 or 6 basic techniques and did some work around changing your mentality to fight and accept situations. As well as techniques we did a good bit of pad work and working with partners. Breakfast and lunch was included. Started a bit later than the appointed time so (I can't remember exactly but) it ran from around 10:30 to around 4pm. At the end everyone got a Krav Maga cert to show they attended the self defence class.

Patrick's 2 day was subtly different. No breakfast and lunch. No certificate. With a little delay at the start (same as Aidan's - admin stuff like getting money etc...) it ran the full length on both days. 9:30 - 5:30 with 1hr 15min lunch each day. To be honest I think an hour or two could have been knocked off day 2 though cos by the end everyone was absolutely knackered and struggling to keep going. I lost 9.8lbs over the 2 days. I did drink a lot of water during training so it wasn't all water loss. There were around 10 extra participants in the class which actually helped... At the start of the course I realised I couldn't really remember all the stuff from the other course except for one technique. Throughout Patrick's course I found that what we were learning - and they weren't fundamentally much different at all from Aidan's class - was really being hammered home. The bigger class and Patrick's insistence that we change partners every hour meant that we were getting to use the techniques on a variety of different sized and sexed people; some compliant, others determined not to allow us use the technique properly - as the many bruises, grazes and cuts on my body from the training will attest!. This was excellent. Also, Patrick encouraged us not to allow the other person complete a technique on us but use one of the others that we had learned to defend ourselves. This meant you couldn't look at two people training together and tell who was the "attacker" and who was the "victim".. it was a continuous cycle and there was no necessity to get a move right or in any particular order, just to use the skills we were learning as we saw fit. This worked amazingly! It really did make us start to use moves intuitively and in honesty there were a couple that I and others there didn't think much of but that was ok, we just used other ones that did work for us. Patrick gave us 4 guiding principles that made Krav Maga an individual martial art for each person there over the weekend. Don't jump an this and start a war - take what I meant by that in an intelligent manner please.
I was a little sceptical at the start that all I was learning was the same stuff as in Aidan's over 2 days instead of one and paying over twice the money without the benefit of refreshments being supplied. But after I've done it? I'm gonna make it a 6-monthly weekend for the forseeable future and show up for the advanced class whenever I can.
It's not for hardcore MA people (although one guy that was there does Muay Thai and MMA and he raved about KM - he reckons it's the best supplemental training he could get) but if you're curious about learning some good SD skills in a short time and you don't have the resources to dedicate yourself to it as a hobby or lifestyle I would thoroughly recommend it. Even if you already are into MA I would recommend it.
I won't be asking for my money back in fact I'll be going back for more!


Just a couple of things: Please read again what I said at the start of this post and take my opinion for what it is. I'm not interested in getting into one of those "but this style is better than that" and "Kiler Ninja is the only style and if you don't do it then it doesn't even count as a martial art" stuff ok? Not everyone has the time or inclination to learn the 10,000 Dim Mak pressure points or to train 20 hours a week with a Thai kickboxing expert or what have you... nor the inclination. Life is a many splendoured thing.

Yes I agree the KM marketing is a load of gunk and really doesn't do anyone in the business any favours at all! I cringe when I read through the KMireland.com site cos it is a good and professionally run course and deserves to be put forward in a manner which reflects that.

I post on 2 sites from the UK - a running one and a climbing one. People on those sites tend to be very helpful and friendly and recognise that they are all interested in the same thing. This site seems to be full of people who just want to start an argument or put other people and their opinions down. For those people: Grow up and stop being so narrow minded! There is a world outside the one you inhabit. And one of these people is a martial artist for 20 - odd years.... didn't learn much humility in all that time?

I just wanted to get a straightforward idea out there about KM and let curious people know what it's about as an unbiased participant, and with that I leave you cos I prefer friendlier waters....

Adieu.....

Baggio...

Good review mate - cheers for giving us an insight.

B.

Im2Lazy

That's a really interesting review, I had always meant to try out Aidan's class too & compare them both but never got around to it.

Thanks for your insight & honesty.

I think the reason why you find alot of opinions being forced on you here compare to your other interests(climbing & running) there probably isn't infinite number of running/climbing styles like there is MA's & each person doing whatever MA style BELEIVES theirs is the best.....it gets like religion the way people feveriously defend their beleifs.

Please don't let it put you off posting in the future we need more open minded posters like yourself.

buck65

good review who007
really interesting
had applied to that course myself but pulled out because of some negative advice here
not so sure now

mrknash

hi friend,
theres a kravmaga seminar on the 21st and 22nd of july from 10am until 3pm at the okc in shandon street cork its been run by steve folan and aiden caroll two of the best instructors ever to come out of krav maga they are israeli trained and with tons of experience in other martial arts aswell cost is 150€ and worth every cent you will learn so much in a short space of time you can get more details at info@kravmaga.ie i will be attending myself and hope to see you and who ever else is interested in a reality based and proven fighting system

Millionaire

Millionaire is alive and well!

Hey, I never knew I was banned??? wow thats news? funny thing is, if I was banned, I should have got an email telling me I was banned? well I never did receive any notification, I was banned at all. I searched the email account I have associated to boards.ie and no emails nor PMs to say I was banned???
You d think it proper order to tell me if I was banned and why???

Anyway.. moving on.

Yes last weekend in Bangkok and this weekend in Pattaya, we just finiished the first every Tactical Krav Maga seminars in Thailand, and its the first time Krav Maga has been introduced to Thailand.

I took Carl Halley who is Head Instructor for Tactical Krav Maga in Australia and Asia, up from Sydney to teach the seminars.

So nows I am getting regular Krav Maga classes going over next few weeks.

Today, we did some full contact knife defence drills ( I am the knife man, using special safety knife). Most of the lads were begineer level and did very well, consdering they had 8 hours training, and this was a very Alive type drill.

Here is our site, got a new site coming in 4 weeks
www.kravmagathailand.com

Here is very short movie clip of Tactical Krav Maga...

http://www.tkm.net.au/movies/TKMTrailer5.wmv

have a look.

Odysseus

Good stuff Gerry, best of luck with your teaching.