Two 25nl hand

cooker3

My stats are 21/12/2.8

Hand 1
Main villian is 34/12/2.5 over 400 hands
Not really worried by all in guy

FullTiltPoker Game #2463952936: Table Del Mue (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:03:38 ET - 2007/05/19
Seat 1: sorolla ($3.80)
Seat 2: bounce11 ($31.70)
Seat 3: IgotTRIKZ ($26.35)
Seat 4: krtaylo ($23.35)
Seat 5: hero ($25.40)
Seat 6: villian ($131.10)
villian posts the small blind of $0.10
sorolla posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [6d 7d]
bounce11 folds
IgotTRIKZ folds
krtaylo calls $0.25
hero has 15 seconds left to act
hero calls $0.25
villian calls $0.15
sorolla checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 6s 4c]
villian checks
sorolla checks
krtaylo checks
hero bets $0.75
villian calls $0.75
sorolla calls $0.75
krtaylo has 15 seconds left to act
krtaylo folds
*** TURN *** [7h 6s 4c] [2c]
villian checks
sorolla checks
hero bets $2.25
villian raises to $4.50
sorolla calls $2.80, and is all in
hero calls $2.25
*** RIVER *** [7h 6s 4c 2c] [8h]
villian bets $9.50



Hand 2
Villian is 29/5/3.5 over 150 hands

FullTiltPoker Game #2463773315: Table Del Mue (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:38:13 ET - 2007/05/19
Seat 1: sorolla ($8)
Seat 2: bounce11 ($30.70)
Seat 3: IgotTRIKZ ($27.20)
Seat 4: villian ($19.75)
Seat 5: hero ($27.35)
Seat 6: vansmith ($128.45)
sorolla posts the small blind of $0.10
bounce11 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [8h 9d]
IgotTRIKZ folds
villian calls $0.25
hero calls $0.25
vansmith folds
sorolla calls $0.15
bounce11 checks
*** FLOP *** [6s Tc Ac]
sorolla checks
bounce11 checks
villian checks
hero checks
*** TURN *** [6s Tc Ac] [7c]
sorolla checks
bounce11 checks
villian bets $1
hero raises to $3
sorolla folds
bounce11 folds
villian raises to $10

RedJoker

First hand:

Raise preflop. Fold river.

Second hand:

Either raise or fold preflop. Stop limping, completing in small blind and cold calling with hands not strong enough to 3 bet are the only times you shouldn't be raising if you are playing a hand.

Fold turn.

shoutman

RedJoker wrote:

First hand:

Raise preflop. Fold river.

Fold turn if folding at all, I cant see how the opponent could have a 5 in his hand to give him a straight, if you think you are ahead on the turn then I dont see why you would fold the river....

And rob I agree with RedJoker, limping is bad.

RedJoker

shoutman wrote:

Fold turn if folding at all, I cant see how the opponent could have a 5 in his hand to give him a straight, if you think you are ahead on the turn then I dont see why you would fold the river....

And rob I agree with RedJoker, limping is bad.

I wasn't really paying too much attention, I thought the preflop limping thing was a more important point.

Turn is a minraise and you have top two with position. A lot of the time villain could have a pair with the open ended draw. I wasn't sure about the turn but the river was a definite fold.

shoutman

I totally agree stopping the limping is the main point to take out of this. As it stands the opponent could have anything. Its a fold.

cooker3

It's funny how these hands make me look like I limp lots when I really don't.

Hand 1, is limping really bad there? While yeah I do raise that a lot, I don't see how limping with suited connectors on button after someone else has limped is a bad play

Hand 2, pretty much the same
So you would fold even though I have a straight?

shoutman

I think limping is very bad as the bllinds are calling with anything and I think it would just be an awful lot easier and better if you raise with your suited connectors, if you get callers you are have position on them and you can narrow down their range slightly.

RedJoker

cooker3 wrote:

It's funny how these hands make me look like I limp lots when I really don't.

Hand 1, is limping really bad there? While yeah I do raise that a lot, I don't see how limping with suited connectors on button after someone else has limped is a bad play

Hand 2, pretty much the same
So you would fold even though I have a straight?

Limping anywhere is bad. You're in position and nobody has shown strength. You're giving the blinds a free flop, by raising you're isolating a guy who probably has a weak hand and getting some dead money in there as well. You have the lead in the pot and will usually take it down with a c-bet. It's also much easier to stack people in a raised pot.

Hand 2, is either a fold or raise. If you were UTG+1 it's a def fold but from cut off I might pop it up sometimes.

His B3B is very strong. I can't see him doing this with a weaker hand, maybe a set but it would be a fairly poor play on his part.

EDIT: Although he might have a pair with the nut flush draw.

Mr.Plough

i fold the turn in both, fold pf in 2 and move to ipoker

phantom_lord

1. fold river
2. fold turn.

dvdfan

I think limping with Suited Connecters isnt that bad on the button depending on circumstances. We want a multiway pot here, making top pair with 6 or 7 isnt likely to be good enough heads up so were looking to hit flush or straight here and stack the opponent.

Were unlikely to get raised by the blinds so were getting to see a cheap flop. I know not many people will probably agree with this because Never Limp is drilled into their heads and rightly so but i think there can be exceptions.

I think this is especially so at this level where its harder to outplay alot of opponents post flop if they hit any part of the board theyll call down.

My Database size is too small to see my $won is when i limp on the button with suited connectors. Anyone care to share what there stats are for either limping suited connectors on the button or raising them.

I also think its opponent dependant, if you see the limpers before you have a high fold to continuation bet % or similar stat then raising may be the better option, if theyve a high agrression factor post flop then limping is defo a better option for 2 reasons

1) your more often that not going to faced with a bet no matter what drops on the flop
2) If you do hit 2 pair+ this is the perfect opponent as hes going to be building a big pot for you and will help disguise your hand somewhat.

Cooker how are you finding that level on Full Tilt, i played there for a few days and found it juicy enough 6max although maybe i was just running good. Ive played 10 seaters at that level before and found it very tighty although for 6 max it seemed alot looser.

cooker3

dvdfan wrote:

Cooker how are you finding that level on Full Tilt, i played there for a few days and found it juicy enough 6max although maybe i was just running good. Ive played 10 seaters at that level before and found it very tighty although for 6 max it seemed alot looser.

It's fine. While it seems to be much harder then every other site at similar stakes and I find myself 3 betting light a bit which if you read the general theory on how to play micro stakes like this is frowned upon, all in all, it's fine. I feel I am 1 of the better players there and should be comfortable at this level. I am 5ptbb over 16k hands. I have enough to move up now, probably will do 20k hands and then move up.

breadmonkey

if you have enough, just move up now. I can't comment on Full Tilt but .25/.50 on iPoker is a fish fest as it was on Tribeca. Just like .10/.25 except the donkeys have more money

dvdfan

cooker3 wrote:

It's fine. While it seems to be much harder then every other site at similar stakes and I find myself 3 betting light a bit which if you read the general theory on how to play micro stakes like this is frowned upon, all in all, it's fine. I feel I am 1 of the better players there and should be comfortable at this level. I am 5ptbb over 16k hands. I have enough to move up now, probably will do 20k hands and then move up.

Out of interest maybe you could check your stats for:

Suited Connecters limped on Button
Suited Connecters raised on Button

Also with a shortstack with $3 on the BB is another good reason not to raise here with 67s

Also you say your 5ptbb after 16k hands, do you mind if i ask what kind of profit is that, just trying to guestimate how long it will take for me to have a sufficent bankroll to move up.

cooker3

breadmonkey wrote:

if you have enough, just move up now. I can't comment on Full Tilt but .25/.50 on iPoker is a fish fest as it was on Tribeca. Just like .10/.25 except the donkeys have more money

The reason I am staying is I am trying to multi table more and get more tables in and just want to get used to it down at this level before I move up and do it there

dvdfan wrote:

Out of interest maybe you could check your stats for:

Suited Connecters limped on Button
Suited Connecters raised on Button

Also with a shortstack with $3 on the BB is another good reason not to raise here with 67s

Also you say your 5ptbb after 16k hands, do you mind if i ask what kind of profit is that, just trying to guestimate how long it will take for me to have a sufficent bankroll to move up.

Over 18k hands(that is my total pt hands, I can't filter it for 25nl) I have limped 37 times with suited connectors on the button and and and have raised it 122 times(thats a first raise) including re-raises it's 160.

My stats to be exact for 25nl are over 15,407 hands my bb/100 is 5.52 and the amount won is $424.90, I also payed a whopping $384 in rake. Thank god for rakeback!

dvdfan

cooker3 wrote:

Over 18k hands(that is my total pt hands, I can't filter it for 25nl) I have limped 37 times with suited connectors on the button and and and have raised it 122 times(thats a first raise) including re-raises it's 160.

I meant how much $ youve won or lost just to see as a comparison wheter limping or raising on the button with suited connecters is more profitable?

RedJoker

18K hands won't give you any meaningful data for this sort of comparison.

cooker3

RedJoker wrote:

18K hands won't give you any meaningful data for this sort of comparison.

This is true but anyway I lost 40 with suited connectors when limped and 60 in profit when raised for the little that it's worth.