Death metal Korn!!!!!!!!!!

christophicus

First off, POST NUMBER 2000 WOOT!!!!!!!!:p



Check out this video of Falling away from me.

At about 3 mins 5 secs they go deathmetal on that songs ass. Its actually really good!!!


and yes that is Joey Jordison drumming for them.


EDIT: a link might be helpfull http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBGvvFnu8I

Necronomicon

Link won't work for me!

Is it Morbid Angel's Dawn of The Angry? I heard they were doing that on a covers album.

christophicus

Link works fine for me.

No its falling away form me played by Korn but they go quite death metal at a point, it is really very cool.

brianthebard

That was pretty boring I'm afraid. Not impressed.

PCros

JD's smile at the end says it all!!

Classic version!!

PCros

OK check this out, same gig and its Blind....fast forward to about 4:10...they go even crazier on the outro!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv4_re2IUxY

christophicus

Glad to see someone thought that version was really good.!!!


Yeah I was going to mention that too. THat part is ****ing deadly!!!! All the other songs from that gig were our standard affair

Beekay

They went a lot more "death metal" on jingle bells a few years ago too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8dYlNpSBZc

Here is another joke christmas song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17BV_SkNpU4

christophicus

Yeah I have heard both of them before. I'm dubious about Jingle balls actually being Korn though.

The Xmas song rules!!!

Beekay

christophicus wrote:

Yeah I have heard both of them before. I'm dubious about Jingle balls actually being Korn though.

The Xmas song rules!!!

It is korn doing jingle bells,i have a single they released,can't remember what song at the moment and its the b-side on it

PCros

Beekay wrote:

It is korn doing jingle bells,i have a single they released,can't remember what song at the moment and its the b-side on it

Was on the Falling Away From Me single

christophicus

O right cool, thanks for clearing that up for me .:)

Beekay

PCros wrote:

Was on the Falling Away From Me single

Thats the one!knew it was from issues!

Mr. CooL ICE

Umm... that wasn't death metal, or was it? Seriously, all that seemed to be was a bunch of standard Joey-style fills with Davis growling.

Big anticlimax

Yakult

Not deathmetal!

I thought it was so cool seeing Joey behind the drums!

Shiminay

yeah, you should really learn what death metal is before making such statements.

For anyone who's interested, Jon gets a bit growly and Joey Jordison does a fill in... That's it. About as DM as a wet fish tbh.

Karl Hungus

That was a good preformance, but there's more to Death Metal than a distorted vocal and a couple of fills. It's still the same music that Korn have always played, underneath the vocal, it's the same main riff.

Just for reference, here's some actual Death Metal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dtfqy8jrg8

So, when Korn start riffing like that, then you've got cause to say "Death Metal Korn!"

Ph3n0m

Karl Hungus wrote:

Just for reference, here's some actual Death Metal:

No wonder those guys have forearms like chronic masterbators

Mental Mickey

Didn't Deicide do a version of Jingle Bells too...........?? I seem to remember reading about it somewhere..........?

evad_lhorg

that was just ok. not WOWOWOWWOW

Karl Hungus wrote:

So, when Korn start riffing like that, then you've got cause to say "Death Metal Korn!"

WELL you could sayy that then but then Korn would have become absolutely awful. that is really bad.

Karl Hungus

evad_lhorg wrote:

that is really bad.

Your taste in music seems to be broken.

Shiminay

Karl Hungus wrote:

TJust for reference, here's some actual Death Metal:

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So, when Korn start riffing like that, then you've got cause to say "Death Metal Korn!"

I have that DVD (it came with their album "The Wretched Spawn") and it it phenominal to get close ups of the lads doing their thing, especially the bass player (Alex Webster isn't it?). The album was worth purchasing for that DVD alone. You also get to hear Jack Owen (now of Deicide) play some damn cool country blues.

It wasn't me!

Webster is a phenominal bassist. Incredibly proficient.

christophicus

Wow karl that video is brilliant.

OK my bad I am willing to admit when I am wrong, although I'm not entirely certain why I am wrong. Perhaps someone could explain to me why I am,although I will likely forget it 2 seconds later,cause thats the way my brain likes to work .

Being a singer I tend to focus predominantly on vocals in songs, and that to me could have fitt in to many a death metal song, although again someone will probably dispute this and say that infact those vocals were nothing like death metal vocals.

P.S. I'm not looking for any elitest replys going into loads og sub sub sub genres of metal and whatnot.

It wasn't me!

It just plain don't sound like death metal. Simple as really.

CyberWaste

Karl Hungus wrote:

That was a good preformance, but there's more to Death Metal than a distorted vocal and a couple of fills. It's still the same music that Korn have always played, underneath the vocal, it's the same main riff.

Just for reference, here's some actual Death Metal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dtfqy8jrg8

So, when Korn start riffing like that, then you've got cause to say "Death Metal Korn!"

Typical, thinking Cannibal Corpse are the only death metal worthy of speaking about today, but IMO there are a load of corporate bull****, and for a matter of fact thats not REAL death metal, and want to see good finger work and drumming, this is for all the children here who have never seen real death metal, look at this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ndpGQWw3p1g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHJD6QzVkPI

It wasn't me!

yes. Both of those bands are also death metal, both well-liked by Karl Hungus, to the extent that his avatar is Schuldiner, but Cannibal Corpse are also death metal, and a far more typical exponent of the genre, so seems reasonable enough to suggest them as an example. In my humble opinion of course.

christophicus

This is exactly what I did not want to happen in this thread, Poeple becoming more and more elitest
Karl was just giving an example, god, do you really want him to list out every single death metal band on the planet ? would you be happy then?

I am more then confident in Karls knowlege and trust that he knows exactly what he is talking about.

neGev

christophicus wrote:

OK my bad I am willing to admit when I am wrong, although I'm not entirely certain why I am wrong. Perhaps someone could explain to me why I am,although I will likely forget it 2 seconds later,cause thats the way my brain likes to work .

Being a singer I tend to focus predominantly on vocals in songs, and that to me could have fitt in to many a death metal song, although again someone will probably dispute this and say that infact those vocals were nothing like death metal vocals.

Explaining the difference in genres is at best an imprecise venture, but the simplest method of differentiating between nu-metal and death metal (or metal in general) is the level of technicality displayed in instrumentation.
Death metal generally displays its technicality on its sleeve, whereas nu-metal songs tend to stick to simplistic time signatures and chord progressions.

The CC clip that Karl posted is a great way of illustrating the point. Compare CC's bass and guitar work to Korn's and you should have a fair idea of the difference between the two bands.

I hope that wasn't too elitist.

Shiminay

neGev wrote:

Explaining the difference in genres is at best an imprecise venture, but the simplest method of differentiating between nu-metal and death metal (or metal in general) is the level of technicality displayed in instrumentation.
Death metal generally displays its technicality on its sleeve, whereas nu-metal songs tend to stick to simplistic time signatures and chord progressions.

The CC clip that Karl posted is a great way of illustrating the point. Compare CC's bass and guitar work to Korn's and you should have a fair idea of the difference between the two bands.

I hope that wasn't too elitist.

V good explanation!

But in simpler terms, LOUDER, FASTER, ANGRIER!!! A good death metal tune will make you want to punch a complete stranger in the face whilst listening to it. A great one will make you go and slaughter a family or 2.

Karl Hungus

christophicus wrote:

Being a singer I tend to focus predominantly on vocals in songs, and that to me could have fitt in to many a death metal song, although again someone will probably dispute this and say that infact those vocals were nothing like death metal vocals.

To be quite honest, Jon did some very excellent Death Metal style vocals. So if it is vocals that you focus on, I can see where you're coming from.

Vocals in DM can be varied enough to begin with, from an incredibly deep grunt to more of a snarl to a scream or a lot of times, clean vocals. So there's nothing to say he didn't do vocals that would easily find themselves at home on a good Death Metal album.

It's more to do with the fact that the genre has a lot more to do with it than just the vocals. That's why I think the Cannibal Corpse video is the perfect example, as you take away the vocals, and what you're left with is still completely distinct and indentifiable as Death Metal.

I'll give you another example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMd8BN1Xt_8

I think if you listen to that, you'll see a huge difference in drumming also.

And it doesn't have to be super-fast either, here's one of my favourite Death Metal bands, Morbid Angel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp1TmPo35yM

I'd also say that Dave Vincent has possibly some of the best vocals in the entire genre.

Anyway, I hope that helps.

Kharn wrote:

V good explanation!

But in simpler terms, LOUDER, FASTER, ANGRIER!!! A good death metal tune will make you want to punch a complete stranger in the face whilst listening to it. A great one will make you go and slaughter a family or 2.

You know, for me, Death Metal has never been about anger. It's more about the energy and exhiliration, and just how incredibly powerfull it can be. But not anger. It's never made me feel like punching anyone, never mind slaughtering families.

senordingdong

Off the record, I do recall reading that Jon Davis is a mega CC fan, so one can see where he gets his influence.

Beekay

senordingdong wrote:

Off the record, I do recall reading that Jon Davis is a mega CC fan, so one can see where he gets his influence.

This is true, and there are a fair few death metal grunts on their Take a look in the mirror album

christophicus

Cheers Karl that would explain it then. And yes I am aware that there is alot more to do with music then just the vocals, Its just that vocals are generally what I lach onto.

Yeah negev that was'nt too elitest for me. I accept the fact that much of the deathmetal genre try to be as technical as they can be and display amazing virtuosity.


But as far as I am concerned Death metal does not have to be clisteringly fast with thousands of notes in each bar .There is a decent number they take a completely different direction, some of which is alot slower and more basic.

Bearing this in mind and looking at Kharns simplified explanation of death metal "LOUDER, FASTER, ANGRIER!!! " remembering that faster has now been taken out of the equation , then how does that korn clip not cantain some deathmetal styling to it as it does get louder and angrier.

I'm still not entirely convinced that that is not deathmetal.


by the way, I really hate using genres as there is alot of music that cannot be put into a single genre.but it is just more practical sometimes

neGev

christophicus wrote:

I'm still not entirely convinced that that is not deathmetal.

Here's Sleep Terror. They play technical death metal without any vocals.

Hypnogogic Qualm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFLJz3_Ct-w

Probing Tranquility

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DXHs3EI3t8

I've deliberately chosen a band here that exaggerates the point with nothing else to interfere, simply for illustrative purposes. Can you see the difference between that music and Korn?

christophicus

Yes yes , I know alot of death metal is very technical, but also a decent amount does not focus on being very technical.

by the way, I very much like those two vids.

Jrad

Why do ye heavy metalers alway fight with each other an try to prove you are more hardcore than each other. ye should all try to get along cause everyone else thinks ye are a shower of homosexuals.

christophicus

Lol just the kind of constructive comments that this thread needs. If you actually look at some of my previous posts you will see that I went out of my way to ask that this thread not decend into elitest sludge, and so far it hasn't. We aren't arguing anyway I'm just trying to see where these other people are coming from and possibly learn something along the way.

Karl Hungus

Jrad wrote:

Why do ye heavy metalers alway fight with each other an try to prove you are more hardcore than each other. ye should all try to get along cause everyone else thinks ye are a shower of homosexuals.

And you can have yourself a ban for that.

Karl Hungus

christophicus wrote:

But as far as I am concerned Death metal does not have to be clisteringly fast with thousands of notes in each bar .There is a decent number they take a completely different direction, some of which is alot slower and more basic.

Bearing this in mind and looking at Kharns simplified explanation of death metal "LOUDER, FASTER, ANGRIER!!! " remembering that faster has now been taken out of the equation , then how does that korn clip not cantain some deathmetal styling to it as it does get louder and angrier.

I would actually ignore what Kharn said. No offense to him, I just don't think he illustrates what Death Metal is all about.

I mean, louder? Does an increase of volume make something Death Metal? If so, does turning up Britney Spears make it DM? Angrier? A lot of Rap music is very angry stuff, does that make it DM?

I really don't believe anger comes into it. I've met so many Death Metal bands over the years, and they're some of the nicest, most laid back people you can come across. They're not angry and aggressive people, and if you look up some interviews on youtube with Chuck Schuldiner for example, he just comes across as such a nice, calm guy.

christophicus wrote:

I'm still not entirely convinced that that is not deathmetal.

One thing will clear this up. Ask yourself whether or not you think Falling Away From Me was Death Metal in the first place?

Because the part where Jon does the Death Metal vocals, it's still the same material, it's still the main Falling Away From Me riff. Nothing changes but his vocals, and a few fills from Joey.

christophicus wrote:

by the way, I really hate using genres as there is alot of music that cannot be put into a single genre.but it is just more practical sometimes

I don't really think about genres so much. They're rough guides, that's all. Kind of a discription at times, an idea of what a band might sound like.

neGev

christophicus wrote:

Yes yes , I know alot of death metal is very technical, but also a decent amount does not focus on being very technical.

Is there a band in particular you have in mind when you say this? Or perhaps more than one? It might be easier if we had a point of focus rather than discussing generalities.

christophicus

Yeah I guess your right actually, for some reason I thought they played something different, but listening over it again I can see that it was probably just that itsplayed a little faster and a tad more aggressivly too. Thanks for everyones input.

Beekay

neGev wrote:

Here's Sleep Terror. They play technical death metal without any vocals.

Just checked out their myspace....that is awesome music!!like a mix between Sikth,Mr.bungle and death!thanks for posting

Shiminay

lol, yeah, I shoulda pointed out that I was being more than a bit silly with that explanation. As an example: Opeth - Death Metallers but not the kind of music to punch strangers to...

Mystic Fibrosis

Just in case you REALLY weren't sure, here's some more death metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-F3i7drE9k

Visceral Bleeding are terrifying, and amazing to watch live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztCZzGD2EDw

And Anata are just brilliant. And Frederik Schallin's vocals..... my god, one of my favourite vocalists ever.

Yes, I posted these just because I like them

Karl Hungus

Kharn wrote:

lol, yeah, I shoulda pointed out that I was being more than a bit silly with that explanation. As an example: Opeth - Death Metallers but not the kind of music to punch strangers to...

It's odd, but listening to Phil Collins makes me want to stab some bitch to death and play around with her blood.

sound_wave

Karl Hungus wrote:

It's odd, but listening to Phil Collins makes me want to stab some bitch to death and play around with her blood.

American Psycho, watched it last night.. nice quote

Karl Hungus

sound_wave wrote:

American Psycho, watched it last night.. nice quote

Bingo!

I heard Sussudio on the radio yesterday, and all I could think of was murders and executions.

Shane-KornSpace

Necromomicon wrote:

Link won't work for me!

Is it Morbid Angel's Dawn of The Angry? I heard they were doing that on a covers album.

That covers album was only a suggestion. last I heard about it, Jonathan had said it's just an idea and when they're playing a cover, they'll record it...but dont get your hopes up on this actually being released soon......

Pugsley

Karl Hungus wrote:

Just for reference, here's some actual Death Metal:

Frantic Disembowelment, good choice, I can play that on the bass

Ontopic, yea very disappointing videos tbh.

It wasn't me!

Pugsley wrote:

Frantic Disembowelment, good choice, I can play that on the bass

... How?