$1/$2 Omaha - thoughts please

BigCityBanker

Thoughts on this please? Should I have made it 35$? Should I then have got it all in?


Full Tilt Poker Game #2460728154: Table Regatta (6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha - 12:45:54 ET - 2007/05/19
Seat 1: munks116688 ($80)
Seat 2: FreshCod6 ($121.20)
Seat 3: Europeandude ($118.05)
Seat 4: MrProspector ($206.80)
Seat 5: bigdaddy9019 ($72.70)
Seat 6: waterboy1015 ($103.90)
Europeandude posts the small blind of $1
MrProspector is sitting out
bigdaddy9019 posts the big blind of $2
MrProspector stands up
munks116688 posts $2
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FreshCod6 [Kc Kh Tc Qh]
BriTKiD sits down
waterboy1015 raises to $8
BriTKiD adds $200
munks116688 calls $6
FreshCod6 raises to $35
BriTKiD is feeling confused
Europeandude calls $34
bigdaddy9019 folds
waterboy1015 has 15 seconds left to act
waterboy1015 raises to $103.90, and is all in
munks116688 folds
FreshCod6 calls $68.90
Europeandude raises to $118.05, and is all in
FreshCod6 calls $14.15
Europeandude shows [6s Kd Qd 4s]
waterboy1015 shows [As Ad 6d 5h]
FreshCod6 shows [Kc Kh Tc Qh]
*** FLOP *** [Js 8c 8s]
*** TURN *** [Js 8c 8s] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [Js 8c 8s 5d] [Jc]
Europeandude shows a pair of Jacks
FreshCod6 shows two pair, Kings and Jacks
FreshCod6 wins the side pot ($28.30) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
waterboy1015 shows two pair, Aces and Jacks
waterboy1015 wins the main pot ($318.70) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Europeandude is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $350 Main pot $321.70. Side pot $28.30. | Rake $3
Board: [Js 8c 8s 5d Jc]
Seat 1: munks116688 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: FreshCod6 (button) showed [Kc Kh Tc Qh] and won ($28.30) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 3: Europeandude (small blind) showed [6s Kd Qd 4s] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: MrProspector is sitting out
Seat 5: bigdaddy9019 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: waterboy1015 showed [As Ad 6d 5h] and won ($318.70) with two pair, Aces and Jacks

MisterMonkey

on occasion i would just call the 8 but usually i play it exactly as you do, once you make it 35 you must call the all in imo

Rb

Depends on Villain, any stats/reads?Seen him do this before?

The re-raise PF was good.

Lafortezza

Reraise preflop is fine unless you know Villain is a total nit and only raises with AAxx. Kings double suited with connectors is only marginally worse than AAxx. And it's 3 way so you're equity will be fairly good.

BigCityBanker

Thanks guys - I thought the above was standard enough but i suppose i was just looking for confirmation...

Anybody like the river bluff here? I think it was a very good spot to pick (obv i won it) but given how the hand played is this ok?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2468947457: Table De Vinci (6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha - 14:09:20 ET - 2007/05/20
Seat 1: TheTrampolineKing ($96)
Seat 2: wallace6607 ($100)
Seat 3: Finmacul ($209.95)
Seat 4: paindealer ($151.30)
Seat 5: davidp55 ($132.75)
Seat 6: Stronza ($209)
Finmacul posts the small blind of $1
paindealer posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheTrampolineKing [Qd Jh 7h Kd]
davidp55 calls $2
Stronza folds
TheTrampolineKing calls $2
Finmacul calls $1
paindealer checks
*** FLOP *** [9c 7d 8d]
Finmacul checks
paindealer bets $2
davidp55 calls $2
TheTrampolineKing calls $2
Finmacul calls $2
*** TURN *** [9c 7d 8d] [Ah]
Finmacul checks
paindealer bets $2
davidp55 raises to $12
TheTrampolineKing calls $12
Finmacul has 15 seconds left to act
Finmacul calls $12
paindealer calls $10
*** RIVER *** [9c 7d 8d Ah] [As]
Finmacul checks
paindealer checks
davidp55 checks
TheTrampolineKing bets $64
Finmacul folds
paindealer has 15 seconds left to act
paindealer folds
davidp55 has 15 seconds left to act
davidp55 folds
Uncalled bet of $64 returned to TheTrampolineKing
TheTrampolineKing mucks
TheTrampolineKing wins the pot ($61)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $64 | Rake $3
Board: [9c 7d 8d Ah As]
Seat 1: TheTrampolineKing (button) collected ($61), mucked
Seat 2: wallace6607 is sitting out
Seat 3: Finmacul (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 4: paindealer (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: davidp55 folded on the River
Seat 6: Stronza didn't bet (folded)

Daithio

I don't think I bother reraising with the KK in the first hand.

Daithio

2nd hand it's a good bet and you took it down but I'm not crazy on the call on the turn.

cardshark202

Yeah turn call is pretty bad, don't like the river bet either tbh, too many people in the pot, very good chance one of them has rivered a house.

BigCityBanker

cardshark202 wrote:

Yeah turn call is pretty bad, don't like the river bet either tbh, too many people in the pot, very good chance one of them has rivered a house.

Yeah I had a good discussion with Flipper yesterday evening about this hand. Ive no time now but il put up something later on which explains my thought process. Then hopefully you can tell me how flawed it is. OBv it worked in this instance but I dont want to get into the habit of doing this if it is clearly unprofitable over time.

58o

Hey BCB how come you have a different alias in evey Full tilt omaha hand you put up?

BigCityBanker

58o wrote:

Hey BCB how come you have a different alias in evey Full tilt omaha hand you put up?

cos i keep editing it and it depends what mood im in as to what name i change it to. Dont worry, if ur at my table it will be pretty obvious that its me... (il be the one getting my money in behind with alarming regularity )

DeadParrot

BigCityBanker wrote:

Yeah I had a good discussion with Flipper yesterday evening about this hand. Ive no time now but il put up something later on which explains my thought process. Then hopefully you can tell me how flawed it is. OBv it worked in this instance but I dont want to get into the habit of doing this if it is clearly unprofitable over time.

to be honest BCB playing at 1/2, I would often make a bluff like you made there. Most players play very transparent hands in omaha and especially on the river, a scarey card will more times than not win you the hand if you get in 1st.

There is actually a very complex and valid reason for this but Im hungover and struggling as it is to fake working

Marq

cardshark202 wrote:

Yeah turn call is pretty bad, don't like the river bet either tbh, too many people in the pot, very good chance one of them has rivered a house.

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Hand one is ok but you're often boned with kings in this spot. your hand is very pretty though, so I go broke.

BigCityBanker

When it was checked to me on the river my line of thinking in this hand was as follows

• J10 wasn’t out there given the passive line on both flop and turn.
• I didn’t figure anybody for a set as I would have expected to have seen more aggression on the flop or turn from whoever had it and I would certainly have expected them to value bet the river with an underfull.
• I think the nut flush draw (trips by the river) was there but couldn’t call as they figured that a made straight was there and more likely to look me up rather than them.
• I reckon gimp end straight/two pair might have been flopped but again they felt they couldn’t call.
• I have a history with villian Finmacul, he is uncomplicated and tight and on paired board will never call without the nuts/2nd nuts which I would have expected him to bet, so I was confident that I was effectively bluffing into 2 players rather then 3.
• I accept my line was very passive in the hand to have bet the river so hard but I don’t feel it was much more passive than the other players.
• In retrospect my turn call was poor as I was effectively drawing to a non diamond 10

These are just my thoughts on how the hand played out. Comments??

Marq

you need all of those assumptions to be correct for this bet to work.
just saying.

Flipper

Like I said yesterday, your line was way too call, call, BAM! I'd look you up here with the nut straight (although no one had that) and 77xx is fully possible. If you have the MSN conversation from yesterday, feel free to post it up.

BigCityBanker

Flipper wrote:

Like I said yesterday, your line was way too call, call, BAM! I'd look you up here with the nut straight (although no one had that) and 77xx is fully possible. If you have the MSN conversation from yesterday, feel free to post it up.

Yeah, I agree my line was far too passive. If ever Im gonna bluff I try to ensure I have taken a more active interest in the hand.... . (Not always the case as Marq could testify from one hand Saturday evening if he recalls it. me = hee haaw) I doubt I still have that MSN from yesterday

Marq wrote:

you need all of those assumptions to be correct for this bet to work..

yeah but given how others played the hand I think some of my assumptions carry a fair bit of weight.

I suppose when it all boils down will I get away with it enough for it to be profitable. Would a $40 bluff have been just as effective? meaning it doesnt have to work as often?

phantom_lord

i think all your msn conversations are saved in a folder in "my documents".

smoothcall

Not sure bout this bet. I think theres too high a chance somebody has a set on the flop and is check calling. especially as the way you played it .

BigCityBanker

This flop push ok? Or is it a little kamikaze? How about my call oop with KK preflop, is this bad? Its another one of these hands where despite getting the right result im not sure if my play was correct.

FWIW I felt the guys range for making it 24pre included alot more than AAxx and with the initial raiser not repumping pre oop i thought it was safe to rule out AAxx from his range

comments welcome.

thanks.

Full Tilt Poker Game #2486183323: Table Atlantic (6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha - 18:49:42 ET - 2007/05/22
Seat 1: videopro ($248.85)
Seat 2: [Insert Name Here] ($102.30)
Seat 3: cracker9ball ($53)
Seat 4: mapple ($108.15)
Seat 5: svenneskumpa ($200)
Seat 6: Stinko_Mikko ($246.20)
videopro posts the small blind of $1
[Insert Name Here] posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to [Insert Name Here] [Js 7d Kc Kd]
cracker9ball folds
mapple raises to $7
svenneskumpa folds
Stinko_Mikko raises to $24
videopro folds
[Insert Name Here] calls $22
mapple calls $17
*** FLOP *** [3d 8s 2d]
[Insert Name Here] bets $73
mapple folds
Stinko_Mikko raises to $146
[Insert Name Here] calls $5.30, and is all in
Stinko_Mikko shows [7s 9h 6h 8c]
[Insert Name Here] shows [Js 7d Kc Kd]
Uncalled bet of $67.70 returned to Stinko_Mikko
*** TURN *** [3d 8s 2d] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [3d 8s 2d 2s] [Ks]
Stinko_Mikko shows two pair, Eights and Twos
[Insert Name Here] shows a full house, Kings full of Twos
[Insert Name Here] wins the pot ($226.60) with a full house, Kings full of Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $229.60 | Rake $3
Board: [3d 8s 2d 2s Ks]
Seat 1: videopro (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: [Insert Name Here] (big blind) showed [Js 7d Kc Kd] and won ($226.60) with a full house, Kings full of Twos
Seat 3: cracker9ball didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: mapple folded on the Flop
Seat 5: svenneskumpa didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Stinko_Mikko (button) showed [7s 9h 6h 8c] and lost with two pair, Eights and Twos

sikes

I dont play omahahah, however I would have thought preflop was really bad. KKJ7 singel suited is not a great hand to be playing out of position at all and you arent even closing the action. You are calling off 1/5 of your stack too.

Flop is ok, becuase of preflop, but the times you are up against AAxx with the nut diamond draw is going to kill you. Some players only 3bet with AAxx, I would need to know he has a wide enough range to 3bet to get in here if we were deeper.

cardshark202

I think preflop is ok there. Flop play is good.

Flipper

Pre Flop call is fine. It'd only be a fold to another re-pot IMO.

On the flop, I'm undecided about leading here. I think there is an argument for it but realistically, you're getting called by hands that have you beat (on flipping) eg. AAxx (sometimes), AdAxXdXx, two pair (sometimes) , all sets etc. You're just lucky here that a total numpty called with top pair and some connectors.

The only thing about leading is that you give yourself two chances to win a nice pot. With the 2nd nut flush draw you're nearly always going to be drawing to 10 cards (8 diamonds (not the 8d) and two Kings) so it's a pretty close call. Personally I like to get my money in a little bit more ahead than this spot but I'm used to playing much deeper.

I'm open to abuse on this one though!