Who does not like mma and why?

cowzerp

This is aimed at martial artists who dont enjoy mma or maybe just dont like it, i would be interested in getting opinions and some genuine debate going on the subject. please give a reason for your possible disliking.

Jimkel

I do like MMA,But I've never been one to follow sports on tv so I dont watch UFC unless I happen to turn the tv on and ufc comes on, But I dont make a point of it. Just like football, I loved playing it growing up, I was even on a local team for a while, But I never followed the premier league or kept up with the players and teams. It's just the kind of guy I am.

May I ask out of curiousity, does being a UFC/Pride/K1 etc fan usually come first before joining a club , Or did anyone take up MMA before they got into watching the sport?

King.Penguin

i'd never seen a proper mma fight when I started training in bjj first (i'd seen a highlight reel of wanderlai silva etc. but never watched a proper show, especially not a live one).

I'd say a good chunk of people saw the ufc before they started training because ufc predates irish academies by a good bit. even john kavanagh ( i think) got into bjj/mma after seeing royce gracie fighting on tv.

SBG Ireland

King.Penguin wrote:

even john kavanagh ( i think) got into bjj/mma after seeing royce gracie fighting on tv.

indeed he did. was the first time i'd seen a martial art do 'what it says on tin' - a small technical person could beat a 'big strong guy'. now MMA/UFC has moved on a lot, becoming a regulated sport with everybody training the same way.

siochain

Hi cowzerp,

I don't not like MMA but as a spectator I much prefer Kickboxing, MT and K1. I also enjoy Pride and UFC when they go toe to toe and slug it out.

Having only trained in KB can't comment on if I'd enjoy MMA training and competition. Perhaps if I trained in MMA i would understand the technicalities and enjoy it more as a spectator.

No disrespect to MMA'ers as I respect all martial arts and fully understand serious MMA'ers levels of fitness and commitment.

Everyone to their own I guess,

cowzerp

I am from a stand up background myself so i veer towards stand up fights also but as i train some bjj and do mma i have an appreciation for the skills that are used while grappling-its like a chess game, kind a like a real technical boxing match, not everyone understands the skills of the fighters-i also love k1 and find it very entertaining-like mma without the grappling.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Actually I'm not a big fan of MMA myself, I can't say exactly why, but I've seen more entertaining fights in amateur kickboxing & Judo competitions than I have seen MMA both here in Ireland and UFC.

But thats not to take away from the skills of the athletes/fighters who fight MMA, its just not my thing.

droc

I hate MMA, it's full of wannabe hard asses who have no respect for the traditiion of Martial Arts and who are constantly bashing other peoples choices to train in something different.

Plus, everyone who does it seems to have a shaved head and a goatee.

DROC

LukeyJudo22

Sorry posted this on the other thread! woops!

I'm a casual fan of MMA I'm not that mad about it. I used to be when I was younger though.

When me and me Da both sat down and watched the Gracies submit everybody we thought it was great because we always loved and trained hard in groundfighting before this, it was'nt new to us, it was just great to see somebody take someone to the ground and submit them with apparent ease when everybody was expecting the karate head to take some-ones head off.

So we kept concentrating on the ground in my Da's jj school and we eventually grew strong ties with the judo. Which I love.

I loved the early UFC's when the grappling styles always beat the striking styles :P because I just grew up a grappler in my family with my Da and two brothers. And when I was young and my mates were didn't do ma's would say 'judo or jj looks so soft? fightin on the ground? that's gay!' and now nearly all of my mates watch ufc on a regular basis! It's funny!

Anything grappling i really respect but grappling with a gi is what I love. Judo offers great throwing techniques and groundwork techniques, in judo you can adopt whatever works from other grappling styles and apply to your own style.

ie sambo, bjj, wrestling personally I use whatever works for me.

And isn't mma the same? Whatever works from ANY martial art.

The early UFC's and Prides were great, but now everybodies doing groundfighting (which was inevitable) and the ufc challenge of style against style has turned into mma against mma. Which is no bad thing.

Bottom line mma is cool but it doesn't float my boat!

And who cares anyway?

-Luke

conor rowan

I started bjj before watching any of ufc/k1 etc, my original background is rugby if that qualifies! the main reason i started it was based on the advice of a friend of mine who had progressed to a black belt in aikido when i asked him to recommend a ma to me. the reason i stuck with it was the lack of ego/formality/general ****e that seemed to go along with the other ma's (this is my own personal exp, not a hard and fast rule- i had previously been to 3 lau gar classes and wasnt pissed off so much by the kicking and punching air as by the coaches attitude- "do this, no like this...do this etc"). that and it seemed to work within a few training sessions

since i started training ive started watching more ufc etc as i appreciate the ground work more, a bit like rugby matches its more enjoyable to watch whne you know the ins and outs of the niggly bits

O'Leprosy

conor rowan wrote:

the reason i stuck with it (BJJ) was the lack of ego/formality/general ****e that seemed to go along with the other ma's
since i started training ive started watching more ufc etc as i appreciate the ground work more, a bit like rugby matches its more enjoyable to watch whne you know the ins and outs of the niggly bits

That's true, with BJJ, there's a lack of ego and elitism in BJJ clubs. What some of these asssholes have to be elitist about is a mystery to me, but that's the way it is. I done TKD for years in Exchequer St, and it must be said Brendan O'Toole and Gerry Martin have no bulll****e about them, nor the vast majority of the people there, but I must say there was 1 or 2 arsseholes there. I mean when you train with people for 6/7 years and they have a snotty air about them and they still refuse to acknowledge you by your name :mad: .It really pees me off that bulll****.

cavedave

There are a few things i dislike about MMA.
The first is its purient nature. Guys being locked in a cage beating each other makes the sport seem like a gladitorial contests. At least bullfighting gets people to dress up flashy before getting down to the blood sport. There are reasons why an octagon makes sense but it also leads to very smart people like Kaplan using MMA as evidence of "The Coming Anarchy".

The second thing I dislike about MMA is not something with the sport itself but with the prolestizing for it. MMA might be provably better then rexkwando or whatever but pointing this out to everyone you meet on the street might be a tad superflous. It is a similar thing to the God delusion atheists. I believe loads of unprovable stuff, I believe other people have consciousness for example, why go round mocking people who believe in God or psychic mind bullets when we all believe in unprovable stuff?

johnathan woss

cavedave wrote:

There are reasons why an octagon makes sense but it also leads to very smart people like Kaplan using MMA as evidence of "The Coming Anarchy".

Kaplan has also said things like "It could be said, that occasional small wars and occupations are good for us," and of a filipino "His smiling, naïve eyes cried out for what we in the West call colonialism."

A few rounds in a cage with a filipino fighter might teach him some respect and humility.

Mark Hamill

cavedave wrote:

There are a few things i dislike about MMA.
The first is its purient nature. Guys being locked in a cage beating each other makes the sport seem like a gladitorial contests. At least bullfighting gets people to dress up flashy before getting down to the blood sport. There are reasons why an octagon makes sense but it also leads to very smart people like Kaplan using MMA as evidence of "The Coming Anarchy".

At least MMA doesn't pretend to be something its not. Its supposed to be a gladiatorial contest: one man against another in a fight to see is the best. If you think its a blood sport then you obviously don't know very much about it, its actually safer than a lot of ring sports. I don't know what you mean by "purient nature" ( you don't mean "prurient", do you?)

cavedave wrote:

The second thing I dislike about MMA is not something with the sport itself but with the prolestizing for it. MMA might be provably better then rexkwando or whatever but pointing this out to everyone you meet on the street might be a tad superflous. It is a similar thing to the God delusion atheists. I believe loads of unprovable stuff, I believe other people have consciousness for example, why go round mocking people who believe in God or psychic mind bullets when we all believe in unprovable stuff?

I don't know of many MMA guys who go around pointing how better it is to "anyone on the street", but there are plenty who will argue the point on this forum, and seeing as this a martial arts forum, i don't see the problem with doing it here. I admit and (apologise) for the one ot two guys who don't know how to drop the argument and like throwing in unnecessary comments (and setting up unnecessary threads) but they exist on both sides.

Also there is a difference in believing in something that has yet to be definitively proven (God/aliens etc) and something that has been totally disproven (psychic mind bullets etc)

dlofnep

MMA is the greatest and most truthful sport in the world, bar none. There is nothing that comes close to it's brilliance.

arybvtcw0eolkf

dlofnep wrote:

MMA is the greatest and most truthful sport in the world, bar none. There is nothing that comes close to it's brilliance.

Your opinion of course.

I'd have to say the brilliant and beauty of Judo far outshines the best MMA can offer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPLCHw9QeAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPLCHw9QeAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC74QiBD7wk

Just my opinion of course.

'Tis horses for courses my friend.

dlofnep

Mairt wrote:

Your opinion of course.

I'd have to say the brilliant and beauty of Judo far outshines the best MMA can offer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPLCHw9QeAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPLCHw9QeAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC74QiBD7wk

Just my opinion of course.

'Tis horses for courses my friend.

I'm just rattling the cage

I love judo, it is beautiful and an amazing art to study. I've been only training for a year, but I can see myself stick at it.

Still, to watch - alot of judo can be full of stalls and unwillingness to take chances. Good judo matches are great to watch, but alot aren't.

Overall, I much rather MMA over everything. I'm a fan of each individual sports (boxing, judo, bjj, wrestling, muay thai) seperately and watch them all as seperate sports, but when they are all combined under one venue - nothing beats it.

LukeyJudo22

dlofnep wrote:

I'm just rattling the cage

I love judo, it is beautiful and an amazing art to study. I've been only training for a year, but I can see myself stick at it.

Still, to watch - alot of judo can be full of stalls and unwillingness to take chances. Good judo matches are great to watch, but alot aren't.

Overall, I much rather MMA over everything. I'm a fan of each individual sports (boxing, judo, bjj, wrestling, muay thai) seperately and watch them all as seperate sports, but when they are all combined under one venue - nothing beats it.

Without a doubt if you want to be an effective all round fighter mma (under the right instruction) willl get you there in the quickest amount of time.

'cross training' used to be the buzz word a while back but thats a load of bollocks in my opinion, doing a little bit of judo, some karate, some whatever is all welll and good but with that approach you'd end up jack of all trades and master of none.

At least nowadays there is dedicated mma gyms where you can learn how to fight through all three ranges every time you step in the gym.

I mean if i was going to fight in a cage (for whatever reason) i'd quit the judo and spend as much time fighting in a cage under full mma rules as much as possible. If i wanted to win (which goes without saying) thats what I'd do no question. It just makes sense. I wouldnt flute around a judo dojo (no point because there's no gi's in cage fighting) or even mess around with boxing, I'd just dive right in to mma.

mma is the quickest and most effective way of learning how to fight.

as far as preparing for real fights goes... striking arts are limited because grappling is generally not practiced. grappling arts are limited because there is no striking. in mma you learn the three ranges (striking throwing and ground) from day one! they're all taught together (correct me if im wrong) so youre exposed to every range and thus no stranger to striking grappling or groundwork unlike the poor ****ers in the original ufc's.

so mma as a style didnt exist until recent years (correct me if im wrong) and now everybody in ufc fights the same. strike ---> takedown---> submission. its just like football, kick ball around---> pass---> score ----> repeat. and its just like judo grip fight---> throw/takedown---> if not ippon ---> submission/pin.

for people who dont practice mma, or judo, or play football it'll be pretty boring! hell i find most ufc fights boring (not pride though ....haha or judo )

mma has become a martial sport in itself, its here to stay, and with its now regularised approaches to training and its relative stability (ie same rules in most events) its going to continue to evolve and produce fresh tecniques, new stars, new moves, new training methods forever (just like judo and any other succesful evolving sport in the world).

personally i recognise mma for what it is... the best way to learn how to fight. why dont i practice it? because i dont want to. i love grappling, judo my Da's jiu jitsu club... and thanks to that i already know how to fight and defend myself.

i have no desire to do mma, i love what i do.

imo grappling with the gi is waaaaay cooler than grappling without (what can i say i love a bit of gi! ) its much more technical (imo) and produces a lot more techniques.

and dlofnep in response to 'a lot of judo matches are about stalling and an unwillingness to take chances' your absolutly correct, at international level judo is about winning at any cost regardless if yr judo is pretty or not, it takes an extremly big talent to come along and ippon every one of his opponents on his way to olympic gold, and you can bet your bottom dollar mma will end up the same! its inevitable with all sports.

now i recognise that mma is the best ma to learn if you want to learn how to fight, but i dont go around telling everybody that! i also love judo and jj (to me from personal experience jj includes bjj) but i dont go around trying to convince everyone that judo and jj is the be all and end all. i honestly couldnt give a **** about anybody elses training unless they were an opponent i had to face.

right im not saying that there is an 'mma conspiracy' .....lol..... on this forum, but tbh a very small amount of people that have studied 'tma's' for years before 'waking up from the matrix' and start doing mma SEEM to have a chip on their shoulder from being robbed of a substantial amount of time from doing real training and SEEM to want to wake everybody else up 'from the matrix' lol seriously please give it a rest, its repetitive and booooooooooooooooring!

I honestly couldnt give a **** if sensei o shea from .. i dunno... mullingar wants to dance around a hall punching air and shouting while getting a crowd of people to do the same! nor could i care less if billy o toole wants to practice mma and eventually qualify for and win the ufc. Call me self centered but neither have an iota of effect on me or my life!

last point... mma is the best approach to learn how to fight and judo is ****in great!

rant over!

-Luke out

dlofnep

I don't disagree with a word you say Luke.

LukeyJudo22

dlofnep wrote:

I don't disagree with a word you say Luke.

cheers! I knew it made sense in my head last night!

cavedave

At least MMA doesn't pretend to be something its not.

True dressing up bull killing with spangles makes it hypocritical as well as sick

( you don't mean "prurient", do you?)

sorry my spelling is appealing

ut there are plenty who will argue the point on this forum, and seeing as this a martial arts forum, i don't see the problem with doing it here

Again fair point arguing over merits in a martial arts forum would seem reasonable.

and something that has been totally disproven (psychic mind bullets etc)

I do not know if you can totally disprove something. It is still possible that someone will come along one day who does have psychic mind bullets. You cannot show that all swans are white just because they are the only colour you have seen.

A few rounds in a cage with a filipino fighter might teach him some respect and humility.

Kaplan can be a dick.

Colm_OReilly

Re: Mind bullets - ever hear of wonderboy? With the power to kill a yak, from 200 yards away. I don't know about Young Nasty Man, with powers comparable to wonderboy.

There's aspects of MMA I don't like. Certain elements of the ruleset I disagree with, and the street versus sport bit I try to stay away insofar as possible, but it's near impossible to do so.

Pride Fighter

dlofnep wrote:

MMA is the greatest and most truthful sport in the world, bar none. There is nothing that comes close to it's brilliance.

Right on!

cowzerp

Pride Fighter wrote:

Right on!

Im glad you had to add your usual useless comment on a topic about reasons for not liking mma-i wanted honest opinions from non mma fans-your not a real fan anyway because you seem to hate most parts off mma anyway judging by your knocking all the individual arts on other threads. you must be bored watching all the fights with them using stuff you dont like! maybe you can start to contribute to the threads rather than just trying to build up your post total while causing trouble.

Colm_OReilly

cowzerp,

I see your point but a little harsh. I think Pridefighter is just an excited young lad, so let's try cut him some slack.

Pridefigher,
let's keep our posts productive.

dent

Can't think why anyone would not like MMA, unless they are pacifists and hate the idea of UFC and PRIDE.

Although this master decided he hated MMA and decided to kick some BJJ ass (The BJJ fella had beaten Fedor in a previous fight)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjieCKYcDyc

cowzerp

Colm_OReilly wrote:

cowzerp,

I see your point but a little harsh. I think Pridefighter is just an excited young lad, so let's try cut him some slack.

Pridefigher,
let's keep our posts productive.

Thats fair enough-just the whole anti boxing thing all the time gets boring-slack given..

dlofnep

cowzerp wrote:

Thats fair enough-just the whole anti boxing thing all the time gets boring-slack given..

What whole anti-boxing thing? Most people on here, myself included are fans of boxing..

O'Leprosy

dlofnep wrote:

I'm just rattling the cage

I love judo, it is beautiful and an amazing art to study. I've been only training for a year, but I can see myself stick at it.

Still, to watch - alot of judo can be full of stalls and unwillingness to take chances. Good judo matches are great to watch, but alot aren't.

Overall, I much rather MMA over everything. I'm a fan of each individual sports (boxing, judo, bjj, wrestling, muay thai) seperately and watch them all as seperate sports, but when they are all combined under one venue - nothing beats it.

Yeah LukeyJudo22, I remember watching a UFC a year or so ago, and one fighter's grappling was mostly Judo based. Joe Rogan commenting about how he liked to see Judo in the UFC said something to the effect " yeah, Judo's beautiful man". And if the middle of an MMA fight it may seem like a crazy thing to say, but he really hit the nail on the head. I only done a few Judo classes in my time, but I remeber watching a demonstration of it before a Ring of Truth, a demonstration and not actual competition rolling, but it was really great to watch. It's a pity that some people knock Judo, but their always from a striking background and know sweet FA about grappling.

Another great thing about Judo is that it seems to avoid the politics, splits etc that you get in TKD and Karate etc.

dlofnep

O'Leprosy wrote:

Another great thing about Judo is that it seems to avoid the politics, splits etc that you get in TKD and Karate etc.

You'd think so, but alas - it's not true. Especially in Ireland!