Low Content: Ruling & Etiquette Question:

bops

Low Content: Ruling & Etiquette Question:

1/2 Cash game last night
3 handed
all poker friends
we were calling it a night and just having a mini gamblefest!

anyways...

I'm UTG and make it 10 to go - I've KTs
SB pushed all in for 64 - "how do you like them apples lol"
BB ($1,000,000) "yeah sure i'll gamble with ya" and picks up his chips
Me ($200) "lol not at that price" and i quickly shove

The BB's 62 (+BB) are in his hand over the line about 1mm from hitting the table...

He says he never said "call", and his chips aren't in the pot yet!!

I argue with the (foreign - but not bad english) dealer that he made a verbal declaration and therefore must call the 64


What do ye reckon?? - ignore that i should have waited for the chips to enter the pot, is he right, &/or is it just bad form?


Thankyou all

Bops!

LuckyLloyd

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5starpool

I don't think he has committed himself, but it could be interpreted that way I suppose. Next time wait!!!

boogey man

under raise rule bops shock the masses
explain the outcome bitter sweet

BigCityBanker

boogey man wrote:

under raise rule bops shock the masses
explain the outcome bitter sweet

Do you speak English?

Bandana boy

BigCityBanker wrote:

Do you speak English?

less insulting the culchies and more getting your HU prelim game out of the way
I am waiting in round 1 proper to teach you a lesson

5starpool

Do people not heed warnings at all anymore? There are 2 irrelevant posts (plus a deleted one), and one incomprehensible one.

Stop it.

bops

i missed the deleted one - i hope it wasn't anything personal towards me?


Basically what i am asking is saying

"yeah sure i'll gamble with ya"

a verbal declaration??

IMO the above translated into propper englsih is:

"Yes I will call your bet"

is this not the case??

...or is this all a little too grey??

Tar.Aldarion

If he didn't say the word call then I would say he can fold.
Somebody can say, ah sure I will gamble with you, actually, no, I'll fold.

bops

boogey man wrote:

under raise rule bops shock the masses
explain the outcome bitter sweet

this translates as: in my local cardroom there is NO underraise rule!!!!

eg:

Player A raises a pot to 100
Player B RRAI for 101 in total (that's just one more for you guys bad a math!!)
Player C calles the allin of 101
Player A then RERAISES to 1,000,000

this [EDIT not the million bit!!] happened at a cash table last night and myself and boogee man gave out sh*t about it - i wasn't in the pot, but he was - it caused him to get all his stack in when he clearly didn'y want to OTF and he hit on the river for a 800 quid pot - hense the bitter sweet justice bit!!

maybe leave for another thread, but i think that i've brought it up before

Tar.Aldarion

1 million?

bops

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

If he didn't say the word call then I would say he can fold.
Somebody can say, ah sure I will gamble with you, actually, no, I'll fold.

ok i know i'm fighting a loosing battle here...just i don't like grey areas!!

how about if action was on me in a hand and i said:
"Raiseydaisy"
would it be ok to fold/call ??

bops

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

1 million?

it was only a small game

5starpool

I think the key here Bops, is to always clarify if there is any doubt at all. Usually when some one say ya, I'll gamble I clarify that they are calling if they are still messing about with chips before I act. I know he was definitely going to call, but if he didn't have the chips on the table, I don't think he was committed to call as he had not said call or put out the chips, the only 2 sure ways of doing it. That is as I understand the rules from a mainly Dublin point of view though.

I agree that he should call, but whether he has to call is a different matter. the moral of the story? Patience.

bops

5starpool wrote:

I think the key here Bops, is to always clarify if there is any doubt at all. Usually when some one say ya, I'll gamble I clarify that they are calling if they are still messing about with chips before I act. I know he was definitely going to call, but if he didn't have the chips on the table, I don't think he was committed to call as he had not said call or put out the chips, the only 2 sure ways of doing it. That is as I understand the rules from a mainly Dublin point of view though.

I agree that he should call, but whether he has to call is a different matter. the moral of the story? Patience.

yep! you're spot on - under normal circumstances i would always wait, but we were all having a bit of craic if you get me - anyway he refused to put the money in and it was ruled in his favour by the dealer.

It was very bad form by the player in question - but tbh it was all in good jest and i didn't really mind

he would have filled a house, whilst the SB's A rag beat me anyway so it made no $$ difference to me either way!!

stangely enough the dealer told me afterwards that he believed his ruling to be correct, but he would have jumped over tha table and smashed his head in!!! - i think he took the view on poor etiquette to a whole new level

mdwexford

bops wrote:

this [EDIT not the million bit!!] happened at a cash table last night and myself and boogee man gave out sh*t about it - i wasn't in the pot, but he was - it caused him to get all his stack in when he clearly didn'y want to OTF and he hit on the river for a 800 quid pot - hense the bitter sweet justice bit!!

are you telling me there is no under raise rule on Neills cash tables in the Woodlands or am i reading this wrong.

if this is the case there will be uproar down there tonight

bops

mdwexford wrote:

are you telling me there is no under raise rule on Neills cash tables in the Woodlands or am i reading this wrong.

if this is the case there will be uproar down there tonight

you're reading it wrong!! i headed back to my local after the woodlands!!!!
did you win a ticket?? (what a great structure i must add:rolleyes: )

mdwexford

bops wrote:

you're reading it wrong!! i headed back to my local after the woodlands!!!!
did you win a ticket?? (what a great structure i must add:rolleyes: )

i was thinking something didnt add up, ive heard Neill complain about that rule down there a lot so it would have been very strange if he didnt have it in place.

no i didnt get a ticket busted out really early and i nearly tilted myself for today by playing

Sirtoyou

bops wrote:

yep! you're spot on - under normal circumstances i would always wait, but we were all having a bit of craic if you get me - anyway he refused to put the money in and it was ruled in his favour by the dealer.

It was very bad form by the player in question - but tbh it was all in good jest and i didn't really mind

he would have filled a house, whilst the SB's A rag beat me anyway so it made no $$ difference to me either way!!

stangely enough the dealer told me afterwards that he believed his ruling to be correct, but he would have jumped over tha table and smashed his head in!!! - i think he took the view on poor etiquette to a whole new level

i think what u should have been more afraid of was thet he also could have said raise when you acted out of turn.
as played i think he should have been made at least call