2 SE Cash hands

Silver-Tiger

1st hand

Villain is on my immediate left, talks a good game, rolls his eyes to heaven when he sees a bad play etc etc, but has lost a few pots in the last orbit

Stacks: Villain €125, I Cover

Utg limps , utg + 1 limps, i Limp with As10s(?) villain limps 1 more limper on button, sb completes, bb checks,

Flop A K 3 rainbow

4 checks to me i bet €15(?) Villain is only caller

Turn 3 completing rainbow, I feel that was a bad card for me as i think were splitting now. I bet €40 hoping to take it down there, hoping he will muck A rag which i have seen many a time in SE,
Villain Shoves for €105

Is he doing to me what im doing to him??
Should i ever call €65 more for a split in that spot??
Is there any Chance i am ahead??

2nd Hand

1/2 NL extremely loose Game

Villain posts or lurks here, has not been out of line but 3 hands previous lost a €650 pot running 2 pair into a better 2.

Stacks: I have €325-350 Villain Covers

Utg opens for €10, caller , villain calls, caller , i call from sb with KsQs, BB comes along aswell.

Flop 3 6 8 rainbow 1 Spade

Checked around

Turn 10 spades
Checked around once more

River 3 of spades , Pairing the Board and completing my flush

I check thinking surely one of the 5 guys will take a stab(a play im not happy with for in the long run)

Villain duely obliges betting €55
Folded to me and i make it €100 more €155 in total
Villain Dwells and Shoves
And i???

All comments are appreciated, I am serious lurker here but these are two hands i have thought about a lot and would like to hear some feedback.
Thanks in advance

5starpool

I'd call both. I think it is highly unlikely that he has a house in hand 2, or even a higher flush and I think you are good here most of the time against a lower flush maybe, or A3 or the likes. Hand 1 will be a split pot most of the time I'd imagine, as if he is a relatively decent player he shouldn't really have a 3 in his hand most of the time.

sikes

Hand1: Aint a big fan of limping preflop now its an easy call. He should never have a 3 bar A3s, and the pot is so big at this point that calling for a split is fine.

Hand2: I really dont like how this hand was played on the river. However, you have to be good about 25-28% of the time to break even and with the non nut flush on a paired board with that river action, I fold.

cardshark202

Hand 1: call
Hand 2: call but don't cr the river there. I don't like it at all. I prefer leading and calling/shoving over a raise depending on opponent.

BigCityBanker

Hand 1 - You should never call hoping for a split, you are calling 65 to win 60. I think I make an exceptions here..

Hand 2 - This is never a spot to CR, just call behind. Who is the villian? This is marginal but I think I fold. What hands does he push that you beat? You expect he pushes a J high flush here or worse often I dont think many villians do.

Silver-Tiger

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 2 - This is never a spot to CR, just call behind. Who is the villian? This is marginal but I think I fold. What hands does he push that you beat? You expect he pushes a J high flush here or worse often I dont think many villians do.

Not sure who the villain is BCB but he knew exactly what we were talkin about whilst i was talkin to Jbravado about his boards name.

I said from the off i wasn't happy with my CR plan but once i checked i felt i had to raise, I felt i hit gin on the river,
I don't expect the villain to push with a J high flush but he most certainly could lead out for €55 when it got checked to him and then have a decision for €100 more back to him.

jimmii

Hand 1:
Tough spot calilng a decent size bet just to split. I don't think there is any chance you are ahead. Calling for a split is never good but you have to be pretty unlucky to have run into A3 or 33. Does he play tricky on the flop at all or do you think he's raising a set or two pair here more often than not? Do you think he could be tilting a little from losing that big pot? Hopefully he has AQ so that he can roll his eyes again.

Hand 2:
I prefer just to call the 55 as he will only go for another 100 if he has something pretty good and the raise really throws us. Same thing again though, do you think he will check the flop and turn with two pair or set and would he throw out a bet on the turn with Axs. How much of a thinking player is he? Is there a chance that he thinks you think that he is just taking a shot at the pot and therefore you could raise him with next to nothing knowing that he then is unlikely to be able to call with a marginal hand? Have you two got involved in anything other than standard hands in the past?

Silver-Tiger

jimmii wrote:

Hand 2:
I prefer just to call the 55 as he will only go for another 100 if he has something pretty good and the raise really throws us. Same thing again though, do you think he will check the flop and turn with two pair or set and would he throw out a bet on the turn with Axs. How much of a thinking player is he? Is there a chance that he thinks you think that he is just taking a shot at the pot and therefore you could raise him with next to nothing knowing that he then is unlikely to be able to call with a marginal hand? Have you two got involved in anything other than standard hands in the past?

I felt he was agressive and would deffo bet the turn with a flush draw, his hands and mine have been similar in that any hand we have turned over have been solid enough and a lot of are raises have been snapped off correctly, so a mixed bag, he has seen me laydown face up trip fives on a dryish board to a lunatic of an opponent in which he said he was going broke there,

jimmii

You laid down trip 5's vs a lunatic with a bigger trip 5's was it? Fair play that must have been tough enough! Hard to know what to do now. I don't think anyone would blame you for calling but its not a call you want to have to make. Just have to hope he just has a 3 although I think he would just call with a 3. The way its gone the flush seems the most likely and seeing as you didn't expect him to check the turn with Axs then I think you need to go with your read and call. There is no point having an opinion on a player if you aren't willing to run with it when put to the test.

BigCityBanker

result?

Silver-Tiger

BigCityBanker wrote:

result?

First off Buachaill Dona, WTF happened, lol
Thought that was me freerolling into the fitz last night,

1st hand

I called he tabled AK, saying he rarely raise preflop with it in cash games, Don't really agree with that but it sure as fcuk worked that time,
After the responses im not too annoyed with the call,

2nd hand

I called he tabled As9s for nut flush,
Disgusted with hand more i think about it, ez fold,
The more and more i think about it , i like reggie's line of lead river , call raise.

Thanks for replies,

BCB how'd you do in fitz last night?, in 2 hours you had a stack of red chips for 5 high to a stack of 50 high.

jimmii

wrong thread.

sikes

I think you created an unprofitable situation in hand 1 with the bet on the turn.

Silver-Tiger

sikes wrote:

I think you created an unprofitable situation in hand 1 with the bet on the turn.

I Think so, Good call

Can you expand please

jimmii

Becuase 99% of the time you are only going to be playing against a hand that is way ahead of you or splitting.

sikes

Ignoring the actual ev of the bet on the turn, which I cant really comment on cos I dont know how the SE plays. However, when he pushes he is never doing it with a hand we beat, I would assume anyway.

So we shall assume his range is A2o+, against that we have 46% equity on this board. To the turn raise all in we are faced with calling 65e to win 50% of the current pot which 124. So .46(+62) + .54(-65), so the overall EV of the play is -6.5.

However, if we are betting the turn becuase sometimes he folds AX then surely this becomes even more of a -EV call. Originally i though the pot was bigger, but i think this should be a fold.

BigCityBanker

Silver-Tiger wrote:

First off Buachaill Dona, WTF happened, lol
Thought that was me freerolling into the fitz last night,

1st hand

I called he tabled AK, saying he rarely raise preflop with it in cash games, Don't really agree with that but it sure as fcuk worked that time,
After the responses im not too annoyed with the call,

2nd hand

I called he tabled As9s for nut flush,
Disgusted with hand more i think about it, ez fold,
The more and more i think about it , i like reggie's line of lead river , call raise.

Thanks for replies,

BCB how'd you do in fitz last night?, in 2 hours you had a stack of red chips for 5 high to a stack of 50 high.

Yeah - I suppose no matter how good it looks calling for a split is bad long term. The second was a fold.

Last night in the Fitz was frustrating. Won €200 but could so easily have been €1200 - i av it in BB thread. I like a oss this evening in Kilb.

Silver-Tiger

Surely in hand 2
Villain should have called my E100 raise instead of raising, its just as bad as me not calling his E55 and raising instead.

sikes

Silver-Tiger wrote:

Surely in hand 2
Villain should have called my E100 raise instead of raising, its just as bad as me not calling his E55 and raising instead.

Not if you are paying off with a worse flush and he can rule out a certain number of the houses.

cardshark202

I like your reasoning there simon. Yeah you prolly can fold hand 1 but with the action in the hand, I would find it very hard to put him on a hand that has us beat til the river. Its still a tight fold.