2 hands from 20fo

carlop

Hand 1: Very early on and haven't played with either of villains in hand. blinds 25/50, effective stacks are 2500.
villain 1 limps utg, another limper or two, villain 2 limps from button, hero checks bb with k7o.
flop (275) is KQQ with two clubs.
Hero checks, checked around to villain 2 who bets 300, hero calls, villain 1 calls.
turn (1175) is a blank.
heo checks, two checks behind.
river (1175) is a 9d
hero checks, villain 1 bets 400, villain 2 folds, hero?

Hand 2: still first level, villain is a jackpot regular but i've never really been at his table enough to know anything too specific about him. Big bald guy, called donal or danny or something similar. Im on 2100, he just covers
customary couple of limpers, hero completes from sb with k7o (not the most discussed starting hand on boards).
flop (200) AhKh7d
hero bets 150, villain raises to 300, folded back to hero who calls(?).
Turn (800) 10s
Hero bets 600, villain instantly shoves for 1200 more. Action?
All comments appreciated but i'm more interested in the flop than the turn.

DEmeant0r

Hand 1: Not sure if I'd expect to be infront here. But i'd call for pot odds more than anything. I'd probably haved leaded out on the flop.

Hand 2: I'd call this. If you don't you're going to be pretty short stacked anyways. I'd have shoved on the flop.

BTW what table was this? I was on table 2.

mdwexford

hand 1 - your getting nearly 4/1 on a call, you'll see a busted flush and a small pair enough to make it a profitable call.

hand 2 - i shove the flop when he makes it 300

cooker3

Make reluctant call in hand 1 and push flop in hand 2

DEmeant0r

were you there tonight cooker? didn't see you.

cooker3

DEmeant0r wrote:

were you there tonight cooker? didn't see you.

Nah, stayed home to do some study. As usual I didn't to much.

Tar.Aldarion

Call, but he might have the ole queen.

I would have folded on the flop, and before the flop.

carlop

I'm still annoyed with myself for folding hand 1. Its one of those that i regretted immediately after doing it, but i also thought j10 was a possible holding in which case he got there on river. Anyway villain didnt show so i'll never know.

In hand 2 I put the villain on an ace and thought reraising his raise on the flop was giving him the chance to get away from it. I figured he'd reluctantly call me down, but when he insta-shoved turn i was pretty certain i was behind as no hand i was beating would make sense here except a badly played aj. I folded and he showed a10 and said he'd have folded if i reraised the flop. People above were saying i should shove the flop, but would a raise of 1800 not be a bit much into that pot and only get called by a hand that beats me? It is the 20fo i suppose so maybe a bare ace would call as well. Btw this was on table 1

Rnger

I was at this table.

In hand 1 your getting 4/1 and a busted flushdraw could make this bet. I think he had the Q though judging from his body language. I'd call because of the huge odds your being given.

I would probably check-raise the turn in hand 2 because I want all my chips in the middle. The bet out on the turn is a bit stupid if your folding to such a small push. Its a good fold in hindsight but i think in this game you should go broke here everytime. I actually didnt believe you when you said you folded two pair In the 20fo you have to get lucky early on or go home!