Hove you heard of a man called Aejones?

pok3rplaya

Villan is 26/23/5. I repopped him from the BB when he was the SB a few hands ago, he called and folded to my cbet on the flop.


***** Hand History for Game 5977390837 *****
Fort_Knoxx has left the table.
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Thu May 17 13:51:30 EDT 2007
Table Table 125918 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: bliblablubb111 ( $200)
Seat 2: corrallie ( $460.92)
Seat 3: lolImAmerican ( $280.45)
Seat 4: Nurita72 ( $38.80)
Seat 6: cwchcl ( $228.80)
corrallie posts small blind (1)
lolImAmerican posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolImAmerican [ Js, Ad ]
Nurita72 folds.
corrallie raises (7) to 8
lolImAmerican calls (6)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, Qc, 9s ]
corrallie bets (12)
lolImAmerican raises (34) to 34
corrallie raises (68) to 80
lolImAmerican raises (238.45) to 272.45
lolImAmerican is all-In.

Lafortezza

I think someone created a theorem on 2+2 (the Yeti theorem?) that on a paired board a 3-bet or a 4-bet is very very rarely someone with trips.

I think you will definitely get looked up by AA, KK, JJ and maybe TT-77 depending on Villains view of you.

Ste05

Is the Villain aejones??

pok3rplaya

Sh1t was it Yeti Theorm? I thought it was Aejones.

pok3rplaya

Ste05 wrote:

Is the Villain aejones??

no. Stay on topic please.

jimmii

Maybe it was Aejones' Yeti Theorom? Your villain is not going to like calling with many hands at all but I don't really like it unless you have something else to base the player on from the past.

Hawk Eye

I don't really like it especially if you think he's pegs you as a thinkng player thats capable of making moves at pots. I expect him to call with any pair maybe AK and JT. You do have decent equity against a pair <9 with the extra 3 9's.
If your going to run a bluff like this I prefer to do it on a later street so just call his reraise and see how he reacts on the turn out of position. Also Ace hi is good at showdown most of the time so if you think he's capable of triple barrelling just call him down.

phantom_lord

seems a bit eh, reckless. I wonder how light you'll get looked up here. he might give up credit for it cause only a lunatic would shove with air over his 80 bet, or he might think "omg yeti theorem, snap call!"

does a call of the 80 and shove turn not look stronger? less bluffy?

move up levels.

valor

Aejones "theorem" - no one ever has anything so he always calls, that was more of a humour post

Yeti - a 3 bet by the PFR on a dry (usually paired) board is always a bluff

Neither is really applicable to this hand

I'm not sure if I like this yet Ill think about it

bops

i really like it (as long as you don't do it too often)

(...now will you ever go and study ffs)

cooker3

I am not big on it, think you get called fairly light here. I would prefer to call his raise and then get it on the turn, it looks more like a queen.

pok3rplaya

bops wrote:

(...now will you ever go and study ffs)

nah f that I've given up for today.

pok3rplaya

cooker3 wrote:

I am not big on it, think you get called fairly light here. I would prefer to call his raise and then get it on the turn, it looks more like a queen.

the stack sizes would be really awkward.

cardshark202

Actually I kinda like what cookers saying. If you just call here I think he shuts down w/o a monster. So you can push any turn assuming he checks. It looks a lot stronger too.

pok3rplaya

All right I guess calling and shoving the turn isn't a bad line. The onlt reasons I don't like it is that when I call we go to the turn with him being the aggressor, he may decide to shove into me leaving me with no option but to fold. Also I don't really like the stack sizes when we get ti the turn, A shove would be a big overbet which would look stupid and a PSB won't have the same FE. But yeah it's not terrible.

For all the people saying I'm going to get looked up lightly. By what? I cant put him on a made hand that plays like this (3bets this board). Possibly AA but even thats a stretch. All hands like TT/JJ/88/77 even KK/AA will just call my first flop raise and try and a) get a cheap showdown b) let me bluff off more chips. Only hands that 3 bet are rebluffs.

Ste05

Personally I don't like it because apart from possibly AK, I don't think you fold out any better hands, I certainly think he's rarely folding AA, KK, JJ, or 1010, he might fold 77 or 88 possibly.

But having said that I'll do this myself if I think he's just re-bluffing me with his 3-Bet, although I do like cooker's line too, except (this might be controversial) I wouldn't push the turn, I'd just bet 90-100 into the 160 pot, and fold to a re-raise, that way we save about $100, but I think he folds everything he'll fold to a push, and pushes with everything he'll call a Push with, I think it'll be clear that we are hammered and can easily give up on the pot even though we'll be offered amazing (but IMO incorrect) odds to call.

But it would be very situational dependant and would depend on how the flow of the game was going and would be hard to properly describe here.

robinlacey

just a general observation-i think the time to try these sorts of fairly unorthodox plays is when you have been running and playing well for a while.

if you've been running badly and have just dropped down stakes,whether you realise it or not your judgement will probably be a little off,i'd prefer to focus on just playing standard TAG poker at times like this.

about this particular hand,at 1/2 i don't think people are making moves very often,and they can't fold much either,so i don't really like the look of it.

pok3rplaya

Ste05 wrote:

Personally I don't like it because apart from possibly AK, I don't think you fold out any better hands, I certainly think he's rarely folding AA, KK, JJ, or 1010, he might fold 77 or 88 possibly.

Ok but the point is that he doesn't have these hands, I'm not trying to make him fold them. It just makes no sense for him to 3bet TT unless he's trying to induce a push and I don't think he's on that level.

Ste05 wrote:

But having said that I'll do this myself if I think he's just re-bluffing me with his 3-Bet, although I do like cooker's line too, except (this might be controversial) I wouldn't push the turn, I'd just bet 90-100 into the 160 pot, and fold to a re-raise, that way we save about $100, but I think he folds everything he'll fold to a push, and pushes with everything he'll call a Push with, I think it'll be clear that we are hammered and can easily give up on the pot even though we'll be offered amazing (but IMO incorrect) odds to call.

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The "pot-committed" phrase is overused.