2 omaha hands, 2/4

MisterMonkey

PL $2.50/$5 Omaha - Thursday, May 17, 16:37:44 GMT 2007
Table Nimbostratus 9-max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of active players : 8
Seat 1: navonod ( $203 )
Seat 2: The Monke ( $706.68 )
Seat 3: Huztler ( $214 )
Seat 5: davud ( $242.25 )
Seat 6: pasp ( $850.55 )
Seat 7: Marie87 ( $534.30 )
Seat 8: tsotsi ( $410.25 )
Seat 9: dawdip24 ( $618.45 )
Huztler posts small blind [$2.50]
davud posts big blind [$5]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to The Monke [ Ac, Kd, Qc, Jd ]
pasp folds
Marie87 raises to [$12]
tsotsi calls [$12]
dawdip24 raises to [$55.50]
navonod folds
The Monke calls [$55.50]
Huztler folds
davud folds
Marie87 folds
tsotsi calls [$43.50]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 4s, 4c ]
tsotsi checks
dawdip24 checks
The Monke checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
tsotsi checks
dawdip24 checks
The Monke checks
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
tsotsi bets [$100]

??????


should i have bet the turn here? is it a crying call on the river?



PL $2.50/$5 Omaha - Thursday, May 17, 16:50:36 GMT 2007
Table Nimbostratus 9-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 3
Seat 1: navonod ( $250.50 )
Seat 2: The Monke ( $782.18 )
Seat 5: davud ( $240.34 )
Seat 7: LadyOmaha ( $254.15 )
Seat 9: dawdip24 ( $442.40 )
dawdip24 posts small blind [$2.50]
The Monke posts big blind [$5]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to The Monke [ Tc, Th, As, 2c ]
davud calls [$5]
dawdip24 calls [$2.50]
The Monke checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, 8s, 4h ]
dawdip24 checks
The Monke checks
davud bets [$14]
dawdip24 calls [$14]
The Monke calls [$14]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
dawdip24 checks
The Monke checks
davud bets [$5]
dawdip24 calls [$5]
The Monke raises to [$77]
davud calls [$72]
dawdip24 folds
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
The Monke bets [$216]



should i really be at this kind of malarky?

dougee19

second hand i see nothing wrong with it.....

first hand, if it was the other player that bet i would definately call....
bet the bet from him could mean a lot of things....
would have bet the turn here myself, not pot but 75 ish...
the way it was played out, i more than likely would reluctantly call but really wouldnt think i was good, just not able to lay it down kinda thing, weirdly enough i put him on 44 here :S haha
p.s. im a pesimist

ianmc38

Hand 1 id often repot preflop and i'd call the river. I dont mind checking the turn.

Hand 2 is horrible.

5starpool

First hand is a definite call on the river. I may have repotted it preflop, but mostly I don't.

Second hand, you need to have chosen your target wisely, as the lone A can be a powerful tool, but against the wrong player it can be a serrious mistake.

MisterMonkey

def call on river but should i pot/bet turn?

fuzzbox

No harm in betting half pot on the turn in hand 1.

ianmc38

Thinking about 2 again, it may not be the worst bet ever. I didnt notice the lone ace play earlier. I think he'll drop everthing but the second nuts there. Reall opponenet specific though. Alot of people wont fold to a rive rbet after calling a pot bet on the turn.

MisterMonkey

in the first hand he had 24 for the rivered house,
the second one was just silly really when he was that shallow

dougee19

yeah true, didnt see his stack, only 140 behind good chance of him calling...
q or k or 7 high??
and personally i hate the 1st hand, really bad position for you there, hard to get off of, i sometimes lay it down but more often that not call, when they bet into 2 players and they're kinda tight i normally pass

Hawk Eye

ianmc38 wrote:

Hand 1 id often repot preflop.

Is this standard it's a nice looking double-suited hand but for some reason when I saw it first I thought it was a bit loose to call the reraise at full ring.
Is this considered a premium hand preflop in PLO?

kpnuts

Hi Monke,
I've played against you a few times at Betfair PLO tables. I'd usually play both hands exactly as you did, although the second one I would choose my customer carefully, as another poster already mentioned, i.e. wouldn't make the play against a calling station. I don't think I have any notes on Davud, but I presume he's fairly solid and has some fold in him if you thought the play was good. First one certainly a call, especially against tsotsi who is full of bluff. I wouldn't bet the turn, no point bloating the pot for bigger river decision if called.
GL,
KP

edit: given your stack size and premium holding, nowt wrong with shoving it in before the flop in Hand 1, although Dawdip (from my mental notes of playing him a lot on Betfair) has AAxx almost always here.

MisterMonkey

cheers kp
dawdip does seem to be a bit of a loon.
for the relatively small player field at betfair there seems to be a lot of fishy players, do you know anything about huztler, puhprah2 and plonquer, the latter i suspect as actually being quite good despite his unorthodox play

MisterMonkey

in the second he called with the q flush, ugh

Captain Tom

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Sirtoyou

MisterMonkey wrote:

cheers kp
dawdip does seem to be a bit of a loon.
for the relatively small player field at betfair there seems to be a lot of fishy players, do you know anything about huztler, puhprah2 and plonquer, the latter i suspect as actually being quite good despite his unorthodox play

PLONQUER is a very well known irish pro quite possibly on boards

Sirtoyou

MisterMonkey wrote:

cheers kp
dawdip does seem to be a bit of a loon.
for the relatively small player field at betfair there seems to be a lot of fishy players, do you know anything about huztler, puhprah2 and plonquer, the latter i suspect as actually being quite good despite his unorthodox play

PLONQUER is a very well known irish pro quite possibly on boards

i play betfair omaha though not 2/5 but i regularly see a lot of the 2/5 players at my level and i think they are terrible.now they may be splashing cash at 50c/1 but i believe a fish is a fish

cardshark202

Hand 1 is an easy easy call on the river, I would often bet the turn for value.
Hand 2 is ok if you know he's tight and is capable of folding weaker flushes. Though I generally don't try it against guys who are so short.

Marq

MisterMonkey wrote:

should i have bet the turn here? is it a crying call on the river?

If you bet the turn what is calling you?
I think you played the hand fine, and I'm calling against most opponents on this river.
Did dawdip fold?

hould i really be at this kind of malarky?

Yes. If the players are a bunch of nits. You have the nuts, they do not. Having said that, not betting the pot looks more like the nuts. I would often be more inclined to call the full pot bet here than a bet that looked like it was after a showdown.

MisterMonkey

no dawdip didnt call