1/2 buckle my shoe..... AQ in the BB.

BigCityBanker

1/2 live pl. Im playing 180 odd and the villian covers

Im in the BB and with AhQc and after serial limpage the SB pots it for 16 or so. I decide to call. Everyone else folds. (pot c.40)

Flop Ax Jh 4h. - Villian bets 30, I call. (Pot c.100)

Turn 9x - Villian bets 65 and I reraise all in for the rest of my stack.

Good, Bad, Indifferent - why?

Villian has been active. The stack in front of him would suggest he can either play a little or he has got lucky. Never recall playing with him before - he is not a regular in this joint.

phantom_lord

probably should fold the turn since you don't beat anything he should be betting there.

pok3rplaya

He raised into a bunch of calling station limpers from the SB at a 10 handed table. His range is AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK probably. Pretty much every one of those hands has us crushed except QQ and I really doubt he plays QQ that way. I wouldn't fault you for folding pf.

bops

looks standard to me - AK looks the most obvious - maybe 2 pair tho

(i've been practicing my gin rummy - HU for BR's @ the weekend?!??)

BigCityBanker

bops wrote:

looks standard to me - AK looks the most obvious - maybe 2 pair tho

(i've been practicing my gin rummy - HU for BR's @ the weekend?!??)

You reckon the shove on the turn is standard?

Im not in Waterford this weekend - il see u in Cork or Drogheda.

pok3rplaya

wtf how is this standard?

IHAVEACAT

its a fold pre flop for me. as u said u dont have much info on the villian so your never gonna knw if your good given his range in this spot. i hate the shove on turn. i dont see what it achieves unless you think your bluffing. his range here has you crushed.

phantom_lord

how is pushing standard? he's either got 2p a set, or a better kicker. u beat nothing.

Rnger

your all thinking how YOU would play this from the sb. Sometimes this is KTs. More info on the villian would be nice, even about how he carries himself at the table can tell you whether he's a good experienced player or an absolute donk.

None the less i dont like the reraise on the turn, your turning your hand into a bluff.

If this is the fitz on a fri/sat night i think im calling down

HiCloy

I'd fold the turn

bops

well its either fold or push

i think the push is best here considering the pot, what you've left behind, and the fact that i think the SB range for potting PF is quite wide due to his description


(I also trust Noels read tbh!!)


bops standard

[EDIT: Prob Cork Noel - don't think i can make the GJP - gl if i don't cya there]

pok3rplaya

calling is better then pushing.

con_leche

His range can be wider than suggested by many posters. However, the e65 turn bet, 2/3 of the pot tells you you are beat.

In many games I would be more likely to get it in if the turn was potted.

DeadParrot

Rnger wrote:

your all thinking how YOU would play this from the sb. Sometimes this is KTs. More info on the villian would be nice, even about how he carries himself at the table can tell you whether he's a good experienced player or an absolute donk.

None the less i dont like the reraise on the turn, your turning your hand into a bluff.

If this is the fitz on a fri/sat night i think im calling down

dot times a million

Primewise

At this point it only costs villain 70 to call, with 290 in the pot. He's created a situation where he is committed to the pot.

I really don't like the cold call on the flop. You want to find out early if he can beat TP with 2nd kicker. So you are better off raising on the flop, which gives him a chance to fold if he has a worse hand.

phantom_lord

Primewise wrote:

I really don't like the cold call on the flop. You want to find out early if he can beat TP with 2nd kicker. So you are better off raising on the flop, which gives him a chance to fold if he has a worse hand.

why do u want to give him a chance to fold a worse hand?

BigCityBanker

phantom_lord wrote:

why do u want to give him a chance to fold a worse hand?

What is the trade off between gathering info and above?

Jesus Wept

Primewise wrote:

At this point it only costs villain 70 to call, with 290 in the pot. He's created a situation where he is committed to the pot.

I really don't like the cold call on the flop. You want to find out early if he can beat TP with 2nd kicker. So you are better off raising on the flop, which gives him a chance to fold if he has a worse hand.

If he has a worse hand, you probably don't want him to fold.

phantom_lord

BigCityBanker wrote:

What is the trade off between gathering info and above?

raising for info is retarded, this has been discussed many times over, we hardly need to go into it again.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

and it's even worse here since all you beat is basically a bluff, which he'll check down or w/e anyway.

ollyk1

Are you the villain here BCB?

You played this very wierd. Did you have a read or something??

BigCityBanker

ollyk1 wrote:

Are you the villain here BCB?

Indeed, a hand from the Fitz last Friday night - I had AK.

Ste05

If I call pre-flop (I might re-raise, but probably call), I play this hand exactly like this and with no additional information other than that he's an unknown, I call him down the whole way, this is a perfect ideal flop for us, we've shown no strength, sometimes he'll have AA, AK, or JJ, the rest of the time he'll have something else, we're not deep enough to be getting away from the hand comfortably, and LOL @ pok3rplaya's range for an unknown in a Dublin cardroom.

bops

BCB's RRAI is basically a call considering the size of the RR and the pot - yerman has to call this bet with any description of a hand, and clearly BCB believed he is infront - he was hardly doing this as a bluff??

so the question is why give him a chance to fold?
well maybe he has a draw that he will not put the other 70 quid in OTR if his misses?? He even calls the RR here with a small PP on the offchance BCB has a draw

many peolpe advocate the fold on the turn - but why should he if he thinks he's ahead??

i dunno maybe i'm just

bops

BigCityBanker wrote:

Indeed, a hand from the Fitz last Friday night - I had AK.

ok solved!!

ollyk1

BigCityBanker wrote:

Indeed, a hand from the Fitz last Friday night - I had AK.

Yeah that's exactly what I thought. Right down to your hand holding in fact! :rolleyes:

pok3rplaya

Ste05 wrote:

and LOL @ pok3rplaya's range for an unknown in a Dublin cardroom.

I should play live more.

BigCityBanker

ollyk1 wrote:

Yeah that's exactly what I thought. Right down to your hand holding in fact! :rolleyes:

I thought some people might gain from the HH thats why I posted it. TBH when he pushed the turn I couldnt fold but reckoned he must of had AJ in that spot. When he said AQ I was puzzled. Personally I thought it was a fold on the turn from the AQ rather than a spot to get your money in the middle. Dont worry, I didnt take the time to explain my logic to him..

Ste05

Not if this is what he thought and was semi competent....

BigCityBanker wrote:

Villian has been active. The stack in front of him would suggest he can either play a little or he has got lucky. Never recall playing with him before - he is not a regular in this joint.

Marq

lol fitzaments.

pok3rplaya

That guy should have moved up levels.