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Importing unregistered Bike

  • 14-05-2007 3:20pm
    #1
    jimbling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭


    Just wondering about the costs ensued if you import an unregistered bike. i.e. a bike that has not had TAX or Registration fees paid in any country?

    From what I hear there will be a VAT tax at 21%, then a VRT tax... is that correct?
    And if so, is the VAT based purely on what you paid for the vehicle?
    Also, is it inclusive of shipping costs etc.

    Not really sure where this thread should go, but thought someone here might have some experience with it.


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  • #2
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    The sum is:

    VRT
    +VAT of 21% (on invoice value + shipping + VRT)
    = TOTAL

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #3
    jimbling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    galwaytt wrote:
    The sum is:

    VRT
    +VAT of 21% (on invoice value + shipping + VRT)
    = TOTAL

    ya, just rang the revenue.... nasty feckers :rolleyes:

    That puts that fantastic idea in the back burner... hardly worth it to save 1k on a 21k bike..... feckers.
    continue the search.......



    hold on... just noticed you have the 21% on the VRT too, are you sure about that? I don't think thats included!


  • #4
    AidoCQS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭AidoCQS


    :eek: :eek: :eek: And when do you pay that - do you pay at the ferry or do you pay it when you go to get it registered? :eek: :eek: :eek:


  • #5
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Jimbling - yes, VAT is on the VRT too, sorry !

    Just wondering what the bike is? At 21k, I would have thought it would be possible to negotiate to buy that bike here (I presume it's new..), for less. Do tell what it is........

    AidoCQS - at time of registration, which (technically) has to be by close of business on the day after actual importation (iow, 24hrs..)

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #6
    AidoCQS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭AidoCQS


    Well I have some excuse - you cannot get em here, its a MT350


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  • #7
    Dorsanty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Dorsanty


    AidoCQS wrote:
    Well I have some excuse - you cannot get em here, its a MT350


    Does it come with the sub-machine gun pannier?


  • #8
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,049 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    0-60 mph in 9.5 sec
    Why do you want one of these? just the novelty (which I'd understand-I quite fancy one of those diesel military bikes) perhaps?


  • #9
    jimbling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    galwaytt wrote:
    Jimbling - yes, VAT is on the VRT too, sorry !

    Just wondering what the bike is? At 21k, I would have thought it would be possible to negotiate to buy that bike here (I presume it's new..), for less. Do tell what it is........

    AidoCQS - at time of registration, which (technically) has to be by close of business on the day after actual importation (iow, 24hrs..)


    damn thats a friggin joke, guy at revenue didnt mention that at all.

    The bike I'm trying to get is the Harley Night Rod Special... I thought I would be able to get it for about 17k if I used a bit of imagination, but no matter what it's working out around 19/20k.
    I think I would be best leaving it till next year and getting one 2nd hand.


  • #10
    Dorsanty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Dorsanty


    jimbling wrote:
    The bike I'm trying to get is the Harley Night Rod Special...

    I'm not really into HDs but it is one cool looking bike. Links to pics for those of you like me didn't know what it looked like.
    http://www.motorcycledaily.com/07august06_vrods.htm
    http://www.rmh-d.com/models/VRSCDX.php


    And yes applying a TAX onto the value of something which has had it's price changed by an earlier tax sucks the b&lls off a donkey. It's the double tax technique the government does explain very well when it wants your vote.


  • #11
    jimbling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    Dorsanty wrote:
    I'm not really into HDs but it is one cool looking bike.
    Beauty and the Beast. It's fast as fcuk too.
    It's a brave new world for Harley Davidson.


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  • #12
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,049 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    That's class. I hate big fat Harleys but that's class. No armchair seat or nuthin!


  • #13
    AidoCQS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭AidoCQS


    Dorsanty wrote:
    Does it come with the sub-machine gun pannier?

    Yes - I believe, the sale is not finalized yet though


  • #14
    AidoCQS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭AidoCQS


    murphaph wrote:
    Why do you want one of these? just the novelty (which I'd understand-I quite fancy one of those diesel military bikes) perhaps?

    I have lived in the states for years and a Harley was a bit out of reach, now I know that this aint a real Harley per say, but the brand anyway its on the tank is fine by me.
    Also I am on a restricted licence and will be for the next 3 years so this at 29.8 falls under the 33 bhp
    I have had a Ninja and done the pocket rocket thing now I have scrambler & commuting in me blood - maybe I am just gettin old.
    Also I have always been seen in Army surplus gear so this thing fits the bill completly if it works.
    If I hang onto it and clean it up it might make a collectors item some day.


  • #15
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    AdioCQS - you might find that under Armstrong 350 if Revenue give you grief......

    Jimbling - here, as they say, is what I got - and you can ride it on a provisional too, btw........whilst more than most, it cost less than I thougt it would, too...........

    http://www.sip-energy.com/rk2.jpg

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #16
    jimbling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    galwaytt wrote:
    Jimbling - here, as they say, is what I got - and you can ride it on a provisional too, btw........whilst more than most, it cost less than I thougt it would, too...........

    http://www.sip-energy.com/rk2.jpg


    Thats a nice bike. But I'm not really looking for your usual Harley. I absolutely love the V-Rod harleys because they've taken a big step towards a performance bike.

    I like street bikes, I like cruisers (although never been that into the massively fatboy style) and I've been looking for something in between. The V-rod family has brought to the market much more than the other "Performance Cruisers". It just sits right with me. Now, I haven't driven one yet, so I may take a spin up to waterford this weekend and try one out.
    It's a fecking long way to go to get a feel for bike, but there ain't exactly much choice in matter.*

    If I don't decide to break the bank and buy this I'm thinking of getting a BMW R1200R. A lovely sports tourer. What gets to me is that I'm going to be spending about 13k on what's not my ideal bike**. I could then get stuck trying to sell that next year or so when I do find an affordable second hand one of the VRSCDX models.


    * If anyone here has a V-Rod, or knows anyone with one, in the Cork area, could you get in contact if you wouldn't mind me taking a look at it.

    ** Are BMWs as good as they say? I've had people say to me that once you drive a bmw bike you won't want to drive anything else.


  • #17
    AidoCQS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭AidoCQS


    galwaytt wrote:
    AdioCQS - you might find that under Armstrong 350 if Revenue give you grief......

    http://www.sip-energy.com/rk2.jpg

    Thanks for the tip - Quinn dont know what it is, have to send them the specs in a fax, maybe I should call em back and try that


  • #18
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    jimbling wrote:
    Thats a nice bike. But I'm not really looking for your usual Harley. I absolutely love the V-Rod harleys because they've taken a big step towards a performance bike.
    Neither was I - I loved the V-Rod.....until I sat on one. It has the absolute weirdest riding position I've ever experienced.........and it was only by accident I started looking at the trad ones. I ruled out all the bobs/springer/glides -even the Fatboy, after riding it - and boiled it down to a Heritage Softail or the RK. Once I saw the RK, it was Game Over. I'm not a fan of frills, tassles, chrome studs, spoked wheels etc etc....so the RK is a kind of.......mmm....'mod' trad V-twin......if you get me.
    Now, I haven't driven one yet, so I may take a spin up to waterford this weekend and try one out. It's a fecking long way to go to get a feel for bike, but there ain't exactly much choice in matter.*
    Not as far as for me to see what Waterford had to offer !!
    If I don't decide to break the bank and buy this I'm thinking of getting a BMW R1200R. A lovely sports tourer. What gets to me is that I'm going to be spending about 13k on what's not my ideal bike**. I could then get stuck trying to sell that next year or so when I do find an affordable second hand one of the VRSCDX models.
    I know of an 07 reg VRSCA, with only 400mls on it, for sale in Galway for 20k.
    ** Are BMWs as good as they say? I've had people say to me that once you drive a bmw bike you won't want to drive anything else.
    Well the RK I bought only recently, is my first non-BMW in 16 years. It's true, they are good, but like everything else, not without their foibles. Personally, I wouldn't buy a new R, as it will not sell that quickly thereafter. Small and all as the used BMW market is, the vast majority of that small market wants faired tourers and/or GS's - the unfaired R's, therefore, are a % of a %. It might take some time for that 1 guy to find you.............

    If you want me to expound on my BMW's (had most, from K to R, 750 to 1150) vs the RK.........pm me.

    p.s. just wondering............. I don't know, but this might be for sale...... what do you think, style-wise?? http://www.flame-art.com/gallery/Custom-Bike-Builds/116_1611

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #19
    philgunn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭philgunn


    I have one, good bike to look at, but dog slow, I also have a couple of Armstrong MT 500 much more useable but with **** brakes

    mt350 not really good for day to day use "too slow'

    the brits had 1500 of them mostly gone now


    pg


  • #20
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Philgunn - what is the 'statistical code' on your reg cert for the Armstrong - if you can give that to OP, there should be no confusion over paperwork......

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #21
    philgunn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭philgunn


    Statistical Code is 41986495

    and the Search Code 23043

    as taken from my Vehicle Registration certificate

    Make Harley Davidson
    Model MT 350
    Color Green
    Body type Motorcycle
    CC 350.00
    Manufacture Jan 1996

    There you have my bikes Birth cert


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  • #22
    jimbling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    just to update. Took the day off last Wednesday to go around test driving...cars and bikes :D

    Took out the BMW F800ST and the R1200R at Kearys. To be honest, wasn't that impressed by either. Main thing was how delightful it was to be back on a bike for the first time in almost two years. They were very nimble and fun to ride, but the engines didn't feel as powerful or smooth as they should.

    Off I went to Waterford where I took out a 05 VRSCA. Mixed emotions about this one. As mentioned, the riding position is a bit extreme, but it's not that far off bikes i used to own. What I did love was the engine. Absolutely fantastic feel too it. The other downside would be the complete and utter lack of wind protection... any sort of long trip would be tough going. May have to purchase one of those quick release windshields.

    I wanted to try a night rod (to get a feel for the mid-positions) but he didn't have one at the time. The plan was to return on sat and take both for a spin, with the intention of purchasing one of them (he had a 06 night rod coming in on fri).

    On Friday I found an 03 Anniversary model A for sale down the country for a very reasonable price, so I put off the trip to Waterford and am going to head to kerry during the week some time. Probably make the purchase if there's no surprises.

    Oh, and I did get to SIT on a DX... god damn I want that friggin bike.... but I'll settle for an A model for the time being.


  • #23
    jimbling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    galwaytt wrote:
    Jimbling - yes, VAT is on the VRT too, sorry !

    Just got an email back from the revenue and they assured me the VAT is not calculated with the VRT included.


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