Strange Hand from tournament

Goodluck2me

This happened me quite a while back just looking for some general thoughts on it. will add in extra information later. I have been tight so far, i think this is the 3rd hand ive been involved in.

Second level of a MTT decent buy in, effective stacks are 9500. I limp UTG for 100, UTG+1 decent player it seems so far although i have seen him raise AJo UTG in first level and slowplay a flopped two pair and turned house. heated up on river though. He seems to know what he is at, certainly seems to be on the TAG side of play, hasnt played more that 2 hands per orbit. i have no reads/tell whatsoever on him, as ive never played wiht him before and obv havent played with him long.
He raises it to 400, folded around to me i call.
Flop is 778, i check he bets 900. What do we put him on here range wise, and me? his bet sizing hasnt been out of the ordinary so far and by all accoutn quite good.
Anyway i dwell and call the 900.
turn is the 9 completing the rainbow. i dwell again and this time lead for 1650. he raises to 3800. what is his range now? what is my range for calling, for pushing?

I know it all seems a bit vague but i didnt want any specifics at first. be grateful of any suggestions, ill add in more as they come in. thanks

Flushdraw

goodluck2me wrote:

This happened me quite a while back just looking for some general thoughts on it. will add in extra information later. I have been tight so far, i think this is the 3rd hand ive been involved in.

Second level of a MTT decent buy in, effective stacks are 9500. I limp UTG for 100, UTG+1 decent player it seems so far although i have seen him raise AJo UTG in first level and slowplay a flopped two pair and turned house. heated up on river though. He seems to know what he is at, certainly seems to be on the TAG side of play, hasnt played more that 2 hands per orbit. i have no reads/tell whatsoever on him, as ive never played wiht him before and obv havent played with him long.
He raises it to 400, folded around to me i call.
Flop is 778, i check he bets 900. What do we put him on here range wise, and me? his bet sizing hasnt been out of the ordinary so far and by all accoutn quite good.
Anyway i dwell and call the 900.
turn is the 9 completing the rainbow. i dwell again and this time lead for 1650. he raises to 3800. what is his range now? what is my range for calling, for pushing?

I know it all seems a bit vague but i didnt want any specifics at first. be grateful of any suggestions, ill add in more as they come in. thanks

Joe are you drunk writing this? Your desc. of UTG+1 is contradictory....strange post

kpnuts

Flushdraw wrote:

Joe are you drunk writing this? Your desc. of UTG+1 is contradictory....strange post

the loose-cautious TAG lol. GN!:D

bops

this is one of the ones where your the other guy and he's you (i hope!?)

you have smallish pp and he rivers a J

I'm giving you some credit here!!

shoutman

dont limp utg.........

sooted connecter or small pocket pair for you...

JJ+ KQ sooted Aj+ for utg+1.

His bet of 900 can simply just be a continuation bet so I dont think we can read into it much.
His minraise on the turn makes me think he's repin 10J, possibly still just an overpair to the board.

Your donk bet would make it look like, A)you think he's at it, ooooooooh I hit my straight draw C) I had an overpair to the board but now I have a set

You dont have enough of your stack committed to the pot to warrant a call unless you have a set or a straight, unlucky if you are beaten by having the lower end of the straight and him having 10j but that's life.

Goodluck2me

Flushdraw wrote:

Joe are you drunk writing this? Your desc. of UTG+1 is contradictory....strange post

No he only played 2-3 hands, he slow played the monster and bet the balls off the other, and folded pretty much everythin else. eh certainly wasnt passive nor loose, so TAG was as near as they come.
Im not looking for advice for how to play the hand per se nor about the result, i just want to know what people can show up with in his spot, and in my spot. trying to get some decent discussion started.

strewelpeter

goodluck2me wrote:

trying to get some decent discussion. started.

Don't think I can oblige but it is very confusing and I think interesting. Is this live in Dublin or online?

Pre Flop:
There is very little on UTG+1 and what there is seems contradictory. Is it realistic to call someone who has raised AJo UTG on level 1 a TAG after 2levels? maybe it was advertising and hes looking for a quick return...theres the makings of a target on his forhead but IMO its way too soon to credit him with anything much less than a big overpair.
UTG usually has a medium pair with the limp but then he's flat calling a 3x raise from what he has as down as a TAG oop so, perhaps perversely, I'm giving him credit for allsorts of speculative holdings, ATsoooootedC any pair.

After the Turn betting:
Who re raises with a made house here?
He must know you are not going away quitely but he still seems to want to build the pot min re raising with another card to come.
...one of ye should have 88 or 99.
Is the question here can you, not having either pair, convince youself that UTG+1 doesn't have it either, is still trying to findout where his overpair is and will fold to a shove?

busted flush

he is holding a high pp and you are nuts to be getting involved so early with no reads or any gereral info on the guy! i fold on the flop to his bet .

Goodluck2me

busted flush wrote:

he is holding a high pp and you are nuts to be getting involved so early with no reads or any gereral info on the guy! i fold on the flop to his bet .

do you think im beaten by an overpair on the flop though? must i have a small pair? what im trying to say is that if you had an overpair (AA?) would you credit me for a better hand, or be happy to stack off?

Goodluck2me

strewelpeter wrote:

Don't think I can oblige but it is very confusing and I think interesting. Is this live in Dublin or online?

This is in Dublin at a big buy in event.

Pre Flop:
There is very little on UTG+1 and what there is seems contradictory. Is it realistic to call someone who has raised AJo UTG on level 1 a TAG after 2levels? maybe it was advertising and hes looking for a quick return...theres the makings of a target on his forhead but IMO its way too soon to credit him with anything much less than a big overpair.

is it though, i think if he`s happy to raise AJo hes happy with a range wider than pairs, i thought his flop bet might have been a continuation bet. i bet the flop basically because i thought i was ahead, but his raise confused me. it was such a small raise i coulnt see what he could do this with.

After the Turn betting:
Who re raises with a made house here?

Thats where the discussion comes in, before we raise here i want to know what type of range he can have.

Is the question here can you, not having either pair, convince youself that UTG+1 doesn't have it either, is still trying to findout where his overpair is and will fold to a shove?

Flushdraw

goodluck2me wrote:

do you think im beaten by an overpair on the flop though? must i have a small pair? what im trying to say is that if you had an overpair (AA?) would you credit me for a better hand, or be happy to stack off?

The board reads 7789. I'd puy your limping range that early in a deepstack at 66-99, 78s,89s,910s and j10s. I'd expect you to raise with 1010+ and AK,AQ everything else i'd throw away.

His range could be similar to what you'd raise with although you could include AJo off and A10 here based on earlier plays.

Youve hit the board in some way with each of them holdings and villain should know this. If i was you i'd fold everything here to the reriase bar any 7, made house or J10 for which i'd push

Goodluck2me

Flushdraw wrote:

The board reads 7789. I'd puy your limping range that early in a deepstack at 66-99, 78s,89s,910s and j10s. I'd expect you to raise with 1010+ and AK,AQ everything else i'd throw away.

His range could be similar to what you'd raise with although you could include AJo off and A10 here based on earlier plays.

Youve hit the board in some way with each of them holdings and villain should know this. If i was you i'd fold everything here to the reriase bar any 7, made house or J10 for which i'd push

thanks Tony. this is what i was looking for. Anyway i called the turn and checked the river, he had KK. I couldnt put him on that whatsoever, unless he was raising for information, (dare i say) and wouldve folded to my push. Id 67, and MHWG. didnt bet river as i didnt think there was any value in it, same with shoving.

phantom_lord

fold pf! and definitely vb river.

Hectorjelly

This hand is a mess, and it really all comes down to preflop. Preflop Im sure you were thinking, ooh I have 100 bbs implied odds. But you actually get your dream scenario and then dont win very much at all. I think the hand was played very badly from start to finish. KK actually played it well, I wouldnt raise the turn but he froze you into giving him a free showdown.

Your flop play is really bad. The only way you can call preflop is if you are going to win a big pot if you flop something good, but your cold call basically means you intend to play a small or medium sized pot. Also most overpairs will definitely go broke here, but possibly not later in the hand when more scare cards come. Im surprised you didnt check min raise him.

cardshark202

lol yeah this is awful. Preflop is a terrible limp-call. When he raises the turn i expect him to have KK here. You played it like you were afraid of 99 or something? Awful stuff.

Goodluck2me

cardshark202 wrote:

lol yeah this is awful. Preflop is a terrible limp-call. When he raises the turn i expect him to have KK here. You played it like you were afraid of 99 or something? Awful stuff.

You would expect KK?seriously?
By the way this was taken from P5`s thread, i thought it was interesting enough, not from the 67 POV but the KK. i def dont like his turn raise, whats he beating? surely overpairs can call, but i guess it acts as a blocker bet as HJ says and gets him a cheap showdown.
Think it was from the Irish Champs in Citywest in Jan.