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Anyone ever done Ninjitsu or Hapkido ?

  • 13-05-2007 10:44am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭


    Especially BJJers. Are the arrest and restraint/grappling techniques any good in it or are they just compliant techniques like most other trad MA's ? I knew one or two lads from my TKD days who took up Ninjitsu for a while and were quite impressed. Any thoughts ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭SorGan


    O'Leprosy wrote:
    Especially BJJers. Are the arrest and restraint/grappling techniques any good in it or are they just compliant techniques like most other trad MA's ? I knew one or two lads from my TKD days who took up Ninjitsu for a while and were quite impressed. Any thoughts ?
    i have, but i wont sink to club bashing, in both clubs of ninjitsu ive trained in, it was trained as is all trad mas out there.
    go have a look, if its not for you then skip it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Shane on here (waterfordmma) would be probably best qualified to answer this. He's a 2nd degree black belt in Hapkido and a blue belt in BJJ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭waterford mma


    Hapkido has got its good points. Because they have a lot of kicks they focus on flexibility a lot which is a good thing. they also have a lot of throws which get you used to working on your base and breakfalls which is also a good thing. all the restraint techniques are done with a compliant partner but the theory behind a lot of the wrist locks and armlocks can be applied into your bjj game which is a good thing.
    i haven't trained in hapkido in about two years but i certainly don't regret it. except maybe paying the high grading prices :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭O'Leprosy


    Hapkido has got its good points. Because they have a lot of kicks they focus on flexibility a lot which is a good thing. they also have a lot of throws which get you used to working on your base and breakfalls which is also a good thing. all the restraint techniques are done with a compliant partner but the theory behind a lot of the wrist locks and armlocks can be applied into your bjj game which is a good thing.
    i haven't trained in hapkido in about two years but i certainly don't regret it. except maybe paying the high grading prices :rolleyes:

    Interesting. Are the throws basically Judo hip throws, no wrestling takedowns I'd imagine ? And is the Hapkido syllabus open to changes, incorporating and shedding techniques and not very static like TKD and Karate who really don't change much sticking to their Kata, compliant standing escapes from bear hugs, schoolboy headlocks etc ? Your a blue belt in BJJ, Congratulations. Did you do your blue belt with SBG Ireland. I've searched for Waterford Vale Tudo ( that's what the MMA club used to be called there wasn't it) but could find nothing much and Waterford MMA etc. Has your club got a site.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭waterford mma


    the throws are the basic hip and shoulder throw variations, then you have a lot of trip takedowns and even more wrist lock throws.
    Hapkido has no kata and is open to change, the main guy on the hapkido scene in ireland - massan ghorbani in bray had started to incorporate some ground work in the syllabus last time i trained with him.

    I got my blue belt from Royce Gracie, it was the second seminar i'd done with him. The club doesn't have a website at the moment as only maybe two or three people from the club even use the internet. I'm sure there will be one soon enough as the club is getting more and more popular. Do you live near waterford?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭O'Leprosy


    A culchie orginally though, Leitrim, train with Ray Butcher, still a white belt. http://www.defendu.ie/BJJ.htm . Maybe I might be down in Waterford during the summer and possibly have a roll with ya ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭TKD SC


    O'Leprosy wrote:
    Especially BJJers. Are the arrest and restraint/grappling techniques any good in it or are they just compliant techniques like most other trad MA's ? I knew one or two lads from my TKD days who took up Ninjitsu for a while and were quite impressed. Any thoughts ?

    Hi,

    Not a BJJer, but a TKD background, but I'll give you my brief experience if it may help...

    Did Hapkido (in China with Oz instructor) for about 8 months. Mainly just the two of us, and he also thought TKD so in HKD class he kept away from any kicks. What he thought me was quite good, but I won't go into detail since he's a little far to travel to!!

    Did Ninjutsu (really Bujinkan Tai Jutsu) in Dublin recently - only did about 10 classes so take what I say with grain of salt. Found it enjoyable and there were good moves there. But just not what I'm looking for. When I was there (again only a few classes so I could well be wrong), there wasn't really any "live" training. People resisted but not too much. And I felt that it was too "battlefield" based and references to wearing armour etc. Very interesting but for me I just thought I'd learn more what I want from a different MA (such as BJJ etc). Also, there were some very high ranked black belts who personally I didn't think were as good as similar levels in say comparitive arts to Tai Jutsu like Ju Jutsu, Aikido & Hapkido that I've seen. Therefore I thought I'd prefer to study those other arts. I did an Aikido class in Phibsboro soon after and found it so much more dynamic.

    Hope this helps. Again, I do think Tai Jutsu is a great MA and good moves were thought. There were a lot of beginners in the class, so maybe that's why he didnt teach it as 'alive' as he could have. Maybe I didnt have the patience to stick with it, but it just wasn't filling the need I have at the moment. I don't even know if they do sparring or not. It's definetely worth giving it a go though & deciding, & the instructor is very nice. PM me if you want club details, or check www.bujinkan.ie (I think that's it!). There's a load of clubs around the place.

    Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭Valmont


    I did hapkido for two and a half years, the kicks destroyed my hips specifically the crescent kicks. The throws and some of the joint locks were handy enough but I found certain techniques such as the knife attacks a bit silly. I didn't really retain any of it except the hip-throws (which I'm not good at anyway) when I started bjj


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭pma-ire


    i trained in (and recently went back to )hapkido with the first hkd club in ireland and first masters to bring it to this country!

    plug club site http://www.corkhapkido.org

    plug main association site http://www.international-hapkido.com/index.htm

    the kicks as very much old style karate more so than tkd. the syllabus contains a lot of traditional ai ki ju jutsu stuff. but also there is scope to pressure test at some point and mix in any other knowledge you gain along the way.

    one thing about lock and throws etc is that you must learn when they can be used and when not! otherwise as with anything else you may attach an incorrect value on it worth to your defence situation.

    * ps. gradings are not pocket stripping evens either :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭O'Leprosy


    Thanks for the replies, may give it a go sometime.


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