Learner 101.

David Michael

Hello,

I'd like to be better so any input, even the harsh kind, appreciated. I don't use any software, just me and the site I am on. So no proir info on people and it is a tournie. Just after a table move too.

Just interested in two hands and how why the way you guys play them.

Hand one...

hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

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10 (Button) Button (1070)
1 Seat 1 (4425)
2 Seat 2 (1895)
3 Seat 3 (1000)
4 Seat 4 (1500)
5 Learner101 (2110)
6 Seat 6 (1385)
7 Seat 7 (1200)
8 Seat 8 (1490)
9 Seat 9 (7035)

Preflop: Learner101 is in seat 5 with Q Q
Seat 3 calls 40, 1 fold, Learner101 raises to 120, 7 folds, Seat 3 calls 80.

Flop (300) 5 J A
Seat 3 checks, Learner101 bets 300, Seat 3 calls 300.

Turn (900) 5
Seat 3 moves all-in for 580


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Hand two..

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7 (Button) Button (750)
8 Small Blind (1010)
9 Big Blind (7095)
10 Seat 10 (1130)
1 Seat 1 (4505)
2 Seat 2 (1775)
3 Seat 3 (2680)
4 Seat 4 (1240)
5 Learner101 (3110)
6 Seat 6 (1315)

Preflop: Learner101 is in seat 5 with 8 8
3 folds, Seat 3 calls 60, 1 fold, Learner101 calls 60, 2 folds, Small Blind moves all-in for 980, Big Blind calls 950, 2 folds.

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As stated above... looking to see what way you guys play common enough hands. Some times I get it right. Others wrong.

Again thanks for any input!

DEmeant0r

Hand 1: fold. he likely has an ace with weak kicker.
Hand 2: fold or shove.

cooker3

Hand 1, bet smaller on the flop if your going to bet at all. Fold to turn bet, you only have 2 outs.

Hand 2, fold to all-ins

DEmeant0r

hand 2: oh wait, didn't see the all in there, I'd fold.

David Michael

Sorry. Added chip count to first hand.

NeoSlicerZ

#1 I'd check the flop, if you bet, I'd bet 150, as played fold.
#2 Fold

Flushdraw

Hand 1: I raise more preflop and check behind on the flop. As played, give him credit for the check-raise and fold the turn.

Hand 2: Against 2 all-ins is defo a fold. Realistically you're against an overpair and 2 ovecards so its a bad spot to be in

Glowingmind

What flushdraw said. Though i do bet the flop in hand 1 sometimes, but not as much as you did.

mdwexford

Flushdraw wrote:

Hand 1: I raise more preflop and check behind on the flop. As played, give him credit for the check-raise and fold the turn.

Hand 2: Against 2 all-ins is defo a fold. Realistically you're against an overpair and 2 ovecards so its a bad spot to be in

there was no check raise Tony??

i agree raise more pre flop, id bet the flop but maybe 180 or so. as played defo a fold.

hand 2 - muck em quick as you can

Mr.Plough

like everyone else said.

hand 1 - i make it 4 bigblings pf and bet 3/4 pot on flop. fold turn

hand 2 - definite fold

Flushdraw

mdwexford wrote:

there was no check raise Tony??

i agree raise more pre flop, id bet the flop but maybe 180 or so. as played defo a fold.

hand 2 - muck em quick as you can

I dont know where i got that from!

Looking back over it, i might find a call in hand 1. Seems as we overbet the flop here, it might look like a c.bet and villain could have any J here and think its good once the board pairs and the ace is playing. Its a dry enough board for him not to be drawing to anything, so he has a piece of it.

I dont see any reason why the villian would push the turn if he had the ace or the 5 so theres a good chance we're ahead with the QQ. I'd call and hope to see J10 or KJ

NickyOD

Always bet the flop in hand one, with or without the ace, but always smaller. 200 is loads. Once you get called there you should be done with the hand.

Hand 2 raise preflop to between 200 and 250. As played its an easy fold.

cardshark202

NickyOD wrote:

Always bet the flop in hand one, with or without the ace, but always smaller. 200 is loads.

why?

NickyOD

cardshark202 wrote:

why?

You would go into check call mode just because of an ace on the flop?

cardshark202

Well in this spot there is absolutely no value in betting the flop, but there may be value in the turn or river. If I had air here I would bet. QQ has showdown value.

sikes

as has been said, just check behind in hand 1, theres no value in betting so all you are doing is turning QQ into a bluff, either picking up the pot now, or blowing yourself off it.

phantom_lord

don't bet the flop in #1, u don't get any value from a worse hand, or get a better hand to fold. by checking u might induce a bluff or get value from worse hands on later streets.

earthworms

hand one fold
hand two fold

David Michael

Thank you for the replies. All were helpful and I have taken note.

As it happened I called hand one as I didn't like the All in. Not the action of getting paid. I came very, very, very close to folding but given the blinds and what I had left behind I called. I reckoned I'd claw my way back to 2000 all going pear shaped!!

QQ/JJ is always a disaster (for me) and I think deeper I'd have checked the flop and called a callable rasie to see the turn or laid it down to a bigger raise.

The River was a Kx and I took the pot when he showed 99

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Hand two.. I thought more would have said call to see the flop as the SB went AI and the BB with major stack called. Plus I was leaving 2100ish behind with small blinds and you guys seem to play (Value?)mid pairs (88/99/TT) from what I have noticed*. Well the tournie players! Would having TT change any ones thinking? I nearly called but I decided to fold. Standard from what I am seeing in the replies.

The hand played out.... SB shove was done with 44 and called by KK. The board helped neither but there was an 8 on the flop. meh.

Thanks again for the comments. The more I learn the worse I am doing. Not sure how thas happening


*they do in the bloody boards MTT...!

valor

I like your call in hand one, his play doesnt seem consistent with a hand that beats yours.

However, I would nearly always check this flop using the reasoning that no better hand folds, and few worse hands call plus we have position and if we want to get it all in stacks are shallow enough that we dont need to bloat the pot on the flop. checking also means you can induce bluffs.

Also, if I *do* bet, I would certainly not bet the full pot. Bet 200 here if you must bet - full pot just makes the situation even more unlikely for worse hands to call


Hand #2 is a very easy fold as played, although I would raise myself preflop unless I had a good reaosn not to [suspicious of early limper perhaps]. You are probably just being results orientated in this hand

Tar.Aldarion

Fold. Fold.

jimmii

Hand 1 raise pre-flop but there's no way you can call I doubt you are up against two big aces very often.

Hand 2 as a few others have said you need to bet the flop but not that much 1/2 - 2/3 is fine there. No way you can call at the end though.

Chucky the tree

Betting the flop depeds on the level i think, if it low level i always bet the flop because i dont want to give a free card, people still regularly call with ****e aswell. The all-in call depends on the level, the lower the more likely i call. If someone has an Ace he will shove the flop as to not want to give out another free card. Low level players will shove the turn because they think their opponent will put them on a 5 for some strange reason.


I'd only go in with 88 if there was one other all-in and i was short-stacked or he was. If staks are 50/50 or so and blinds arent completely raping me i fold.