tough river decision

bubbleking

playing live pot limit holdem €1-2

villain in hand is very lag raising most pots preflop and equally aggressive on post flop play.

effective stacks ~ 250

4 limpers
villain makes it 10 in mp
i call on the button with 66
2 other callers

flop (pot €45)
10c 6c 5c

villain leads for 20..i call (comments??) everyone else folds

turn 7d (pot €85)

villain leads again for 40 i call

river qs (pot 165)

villain bets pot..

call or fold??

also comments on all streets would be appreciated.

Gus Ivey

pot the flop...

if u were callin all the way through thinking your trip 6s were good then u shud call the river

jimmii

Is this at the Fitz? 20 into a 45 pot seems a little weak he could be something like AcQx I would raise the flop to 70 here see what he does. I think you really have to call the river after calling the whole way down if your ahead on the flop only QQ has over taken you as i'd be surprised if he bets out 20 with 77. If it is the Fitz is it one of those druken late night rampage tables or are people playing properly?

BigCityBanker

Call.

earthworms

ya deffo call

bubbleking

jimmii wrote:

Is this at the Fitz? 20 into a 45 pot seems a little weak he could be something like AcQx I would raise the flop to 70 here see what he does. I think you really have to call the river after calling the whole way down if your ahead on the flop only QQ has over taken you as i'd be surprised if he bets out 20 with 77. If it is the Fitz is it one of those druken late night rampage tables or are people playing properly?

yeah sorry forgot to mention its the fitz.

there were a few drunken players at the table but they were getting picked off very easily.

villain wasnt drunk and betting less than half the pot after he raised was very unusual for him

phantom_lord

I think it's a fold.

insafehands

1010 or QQ beats you obviously so it's up to reads and history to make your decision.

Never just call the flop in that position, imo. Pot it and try and take it down/see where you are.

bubbleking

insafehands wrote:

1010 or QQ beats you obviously so it's up to reads and history to make your decision.
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also the flush and/or straight (if he has it) beats me.

Hectorjelly

Easy call

Tar.Aldarion

Call I think.

cooker3

Insta call

bubbleking

glad to see so many of you would have called as i was called a station after this hand.

results:

i thought about it until clock was called on me then i convinced myself he had a busted flush draw and called.

he turned over KQo with the Qc.

by the way i dont think potting the flop was an option as it is one of those situations where you get worse hands to fold and get called by better ones.

sikes

bubbleking wrote:

by the way i dont think potting the flop was an option as it is one of those situations where you get worse hands to fold and get called by better ones.

If we raise the flop, its not just for value. Not raising I would think is a massive mistake.

LuckyLloyd

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bubbleking

sikes wrote:

If we raise the flop, its not just for value.

yeah true but if we get re-raised we havnt really gained any information and only bloated the pot with a slightly higher than marginal hand in this case.

Scouser in Dub

bubbleking wrote:

by the way i dont think potting the flop was an option as it is one of those situations where you get worse hands to fold and get called by better ones.

Would you have got called if you raised the flop by someone holding Ac Tx or indeed your opponent in this hand who held the Qc. Isn't raising here important not just to protect your hand but also to not give a free/cheap card to someone drawing?

Marq

bubbleking wrote:

its the fitz.

Call.

sikes

bubbleking wrote:

yeah true but if we get re-raised we havnt really gained any information and only bloated the pot with a slightly higher than marginal hand in this case.

We are always gaining information but thats not why we are betting. If he pushes over the top then we have another decision to make, we may fold may call but whatever we do its going to be profitbale. Difficult decisions is what poker is all about, but every situation is about making money, and calling a less than 1/2 pot with a set on this board is not making money, or should I say, not maximising our expectation for the hand.

There are plenty of draws out there that are going to continue with the hand, you have to get their money. You played the hand badly because you didnt extract value from your big hand or make people pay for their draws. You cant play scared for fear of a raise on a dangerous board.

bubbleking

yeah thats true i accept that i played it badly

tbh it only really dawned on me that he was most likely on a draw after i called the turn. (didnt really understand his 1/2 pot bets probably most likely they were blocker bets)

i still got some value out of his river bluff but i can see how i probably could have taken his stack

BarrierReef

First Reply / Post on here.. But here are my thoughts.

You absolutely need to Pot the Flop, With 3 Clubs on a 10 high board in the Fitz, the range of hands that will call or raise you are pretty large. Most of which you are ahead of, ( All the big pairs ( especially with one club in their hand etc.. ), 2 Pair, AcX etc...

If you were re-raised all in I would be pushing without thinking about it. If he has made flush, you have 7 outs on the Turn and 10 on the river. If he has a higher set then dust yourself off pray for the miricle card and get ready to re-load.

With regard to the weak bet on the Turn, I would definitely be raising in this situation.

I wouldn't mind playing against you if you give me cheap draws like this !

Have Fun

S

valor

i dont mind just caling the flop, but i would shove the turn

once you get there easy call, i would put in my last few bucks too