The Compact

Binomate

Kevin Byrne is rubish, and his views are shite. Who let him have a column in The Compact? I've never ready anything he's written in his in his column that hasn't made me want to punch him in the face. His latest train wreck of an article, about Socialists really brings out how much of a pompus twat he seems to be, and the picture of him does great justice for this image too.

Frankiestylee

Who is he?

I don't think a whole lot of vetting goes into the columnists... two of last years ones were in my class and they just did it because, well, they did.

Binomate

Frankiestylee wrote:

Who is he?

I don't think a whole lot of vetting goes into the columnists... two of last years ones were in my class and they just did it because, well, they did.

He's the pompus queer on the top of the student column spread on pages 10 and 11. Just read his tripe. You'd swear he just got a feather, rammed it down his throat, puked on to paper and then submited it to the editors.

strychnine

Binomate wrote:

He's the pompus queer on the top of the student column spread on pages 10 and 11. Just read his tripe. You'd swear he just got a feather, rammed it down his throat, puked on to paper and then submited it to the editors.

Isn't 'queer' an offensive term used to descibe gay people? And here i was thinking socialists were all about the peace and love. Once again you guys prove your inability to have a logical and respectable debate about something. Shame, you are your own worst enemy.

Binomate

strychnine wrote:

Isn't 'queer' an offensive term used to descibe gay people? And here i was thinking socialists were all about the peace and love. Once again you guys prove your inability to have a logical and respectable debate about something. Shame, you are your own worst enemy.

When did I say I was a socialst? I despise his ignorance, not his political views. There's not much logic you can bring in to a discussion you're having about personal taste.

strychnine

I think its fairly obvious to assume that if you despise his ignorance, you must also despise his political views. If you supported what he believes then you wouldn't be here whining about him.

Maybe you should join the debating society. Im sure your idea of punching someone in the face when they say something you dont like would go down really well.

Binomate

strychnine wrote:

I think its fairly obvious to assume that if you despise his ignorance, you must also despise his political views. If you supported what he believes then you wouldn't be here whining about him.

I don't despise his political views. This is where logic comes in to it. How is it logical that I'm a socialist, if I don't like the way he presents his point in his article? Even if I didn't agree with his political views, how would that make me a socialist? He is ignorant of quite a lot of things in his articles, and he presented his point in the same way in previous articles.

strchnine wrote:

Maybe you should join the debating society. Im sure your idea of punching someone in the face when they say something you dont like would go down really well.

Don't take my posts so literally. If I was going to punch him in the face, I'd have found him already and done it. What I said implies that I find his articles annyoing.

Frankiestylee

Possibility that "strychnine" = Kevin Byrne?

People can show their ignorance in so many ways, not just their political views... it could be the way they express them/dismiss others for example.

I haven't read the guy's column so I don't know what he's like, I was just wondering who he is... I mean, why has he got his own column?

strychnine

What exactly is he being ignorant of, and what is it about his way of presenting his views that you dont like? As in what pieces of the article show ignorance on his part.

I'm not Kevin Byrne btw, i dont know him nor have i ever met him. I do agree with his views though and i think its high time that views like those are allowed to be expressed in college environments. Its seems perfectly acceptable to promote far left ideas in college and plaster the place with socialist and left wing posters, but not acceptable to put forward opposing views.

Stench Blossoms

Bit over the top Biomate. You must have some personal grudge against him. His coloum isnt that bad. In fact, i thought it was quite good tbh.

Binomate

strychnine wrote:

What exactly is he being ignorant of, and what is it about his way of presenting his views that you dont like? He is completely ignorant of Socialism. I'm not a socialist, but there is a hell of a lot more to socialism than what he makes out in his article.

Socialism is an idology that works best in countries where you have low part of the population having a high percentage of the wealth in the country. Countries where there is a complete imbalance in wealth and as a result, the country suffers. Look at Russia in the early 20th century, before Stalin went nuts. Socialism helped Russia out of a 100 year technological latency. Even though there has never been a text book socialist regime implimented anywhere in the history of the world, the ones that have existed worked to an extent. Any that have existed have been corrupt in one way or another, leading to their downfall. His whole article implied that socialism is just some mickey mouse ideology that has and will never work. He even went as far as there is no policy with socialism as far as I can remember which is also complete bullshit. A tribute to his ignorance.

strychnine wrote:

I'm not Kevin Byrne btw, i dont know him nor have i ever met him. I do agree with his views though and i think its high time that views like those are allowed to be expressed in college environments. Its seems perfectly acceptable to promote far left ideas in college and plaster the place with socialist and left wing posters, but not acceptable to put forward opposing views.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have a column, I'm just saying I don't like his column.

projectmayhem

all i want to know is how anyone gets to read the compact when using it for it's desired purpose; collecting the newly excreted contents of my bowels...

Creamy Goodness

wait people read this thing?

Binomate

Cremo wrote:

wait people read this thing?

It beats listening to a certain OOP lecturer, but I may live to regret that.

projectmayhem

Binomate wrote:

It beats listening to a certain OOP lecturer, but I may live to regret that.

probably not, since "dropping it like it's hot" i've learned far more outside of college then in. granted learning it didn't involve reading the compact, but the compact probably teaches you more then some of the lecturers you have

Frankiestylee

Yeah well... socialism probably will never work. Or rather Communism won't work. Are communism and socialism interchangeable? I think you've got places like Sweden etc that are much more socialist in their ways, but that's just a big welfare state really.

al_g

sweden has lower taxes and and a better standard of living for its citizens so how can you say it is is a welfare state that is daft. The real welfare state is here where people do not want to work because of the exploitative wage rates given by employees?

Frankiestylee

Ok, so I don't study this stuff etc... but aren't Sweden's taxes higher? By welfare state I meant that the high taxes pay for a high quality of healthcare etc. Actually here, I never do research for forums but your post requires it...

"Sweden is now more similar to other European countries with comparatively high tax rates. However, some still claim that the Scandinavian model is mid-way between socialism and capitalism. The Swedish "welfare state" model of the 20th century is an example (some economists and socialists said) of effective use of national taxes, although others disagree about its continuing effectiveness. The Swedish welfare system remains extensive, but a recession in the 1990s forced an introduction of a number of reforms, such as education vouchers in 1992 and decentralization of some types of healthcare services to municipal control.[49]

While similar in form to other governments in Western Europe, the Swedish state is among the most generous in the scope of government services provided. These include tax-funded childcare, parental leave, a ceiling on health care costs, tax-funded education (all levels up to, and including university), retirement pensions, tax-funded dental care up to 20 years of age and sick leave (partly paid by the employer). Parents are entitled to a total of 480 days partly paid leave between birth and the child's eighth birthday, with 60 days reserved specifically for each parent, in effect providing the father with two so-called "daddy-months". The ceiling on health care costs makes it easier, relative to other nations, for Swedish workers to take time off for medical reasons.

Since the late 1960s, Sweden has had the highest tax quota (as percentage of GDP) in the industrialized world"

Hah, and to think I was about to apologize for my ignorance. Go check yourself buddy before you start waffling.

Oh and care to explain the exploitative wage rates people have to endure over here? Last I checked the minimum wage was pretty decent, alot better then some other places.

This is all totally off topic though... but needed to be said.

strychnine

Indeed not only is the minimum wage higher here than in other countries, but as the article pointed out, it was our most fiscally conservative party, the PDs, who helped bring that about, a pro capitalist party.

As for socialism, it works best when its in a textbook and never taken out of it. Like communism its an ideal that will never work. Socialists fail to understand that some people work harder than others, and poor people tend not to work as hard as rich people. Capitalism is all about choice and free will and giving you the absolute right to take your life in whatever direction you want.

Its like college. If you have two people, one who works hard, goes to every lecture, studies for exams and hands in assignments on time. And the other who doesn't give sh*it, skips classes, doesn't study and fails exams. Surely at the end of the four years the guy who has worked hard deserves the better degree and a better job. In socialist ideology, they are both equal. I just dont think thats very fair.

Frankiestylee

Is the compact online? I know that was the plan once upon a time, but did they do it this year? Oh, can't wait to be back in the loop next year, no more pondering, I'll be able to criticize like crazah.

strychnine

I dont think its online but you can pick it up in the college now, theres thousands of them everywhere

Baggly

Returning to where this debate began....the guy is a bit of a tool. I can only speak for myself, but its no coincidence that every time ive read his articles, he has pissed me off in some way. I am of the opinion that while he does believe in what he writes, he is doing what would be considered trolling here.

And also, socialism would look at the motivations why the person is lazy and works less....ie, if they had been treated equal and given the same motivations as the person who worked hard......im not saying this is right, but its a theory. And for christ sake, will people stop assuming socialism has to do solely with economic policy.

I know that makes me sound like a big socialist, but im not. i dispise the posters and marches and sh!te like that as much as the author of the article that inspired this thread, but tbh, his arguements are always one sided, and the opposite view needs to be presented.

strychnine

LOTP wrote:

Returning to where this debate began....the guy is a bit of a tool. I can only speak for myself, but its no coincidence that every time ive read his articles, he has pissed me off in some way. I am of the opinion that while he does believe in what he writes, he is doing what would be considered trolling here.

And also, socialism would look at the motivations why the person is lazy and works less....ie, if they had been treated equal and given the same motivations as the person who worked hard......im not saying this is right, but its a theory. And for christ sake, will people stop assuming socialism has to do solely with economic policy.

I know that makes me sound like a big socialist, but im not. i dispise the posters and marches and sh!te like that as much as the author of the article that inspired this thread, but tbh, his arguements are always one sided, and the opposite view needs to be presented.

Capitalism is the most equal and non discriminatory system there is. Under capitalism it is irrelevant what background a person comes from, what matters solely is the ability of the person to work hard and perform at what they do. Again, ill go back to the college analogy. The free third level education system we have in this country allows someone from any socio-economic background to enter college and be treated as a complete equal. The only barrier to entry is ability.

As for his articles being one sided, they are not, especially when he talks about raising the minimum wage, something that traditionally right leaning people would oppose.

What has really sparked off this debate is that we have become so used to left wing propaganda in college environments that when an opposing view is put forward, it takes people by surprise. I would congratulate editors of the compact for more balanced journalism than we usually see in college stuff.

Baggly

And your arguement would be a good one except that he isnt always complaining about socialism... and also due to the fact that he summarily dismisses socio economic groups with a candor i would expect of a bigot, not of a published 'journalist'.

im not pro or anti capitalism, i think no system is perfect, and describing something as the 'most fair' is pointless, since there are always circumstances when fairness gives way to blind luck, thereby negating your fairest system.

Also, and not in an effort to troll, how would you explain the prevalence of 'its not what you know, but who you know' in capitalism. you cannot deny that an incredible amount of how people get ahead is down to this, and not hard work.

In summary, the guy is entitled to his views, but i dont think someone as biased towards their own side should be allowed on the Compact without an opposite view being put forward by another party. at the same time, keep the socialists out - just get rid of him and replace his piece with some embarrassing photo's of idiots on a night out.

strychnine

LOTP wrote:

And your arguement would be a good one except that he isnt always complaining about socialism... and also due to the fact that he summarily dismisses socio economic groups with a candor i would expect of a bigot, not of a published 'journalist'.

im not pro or anti capitalism, i think no system is perfect, and describing something as the 'most fair' is pointless, since there are always circumstances when fairness gives way to blind luck, thereby negating your fairest system.

Also, and not in an effort to troll, how would you explain the prevalence of 'its not what you know, but who you know' in capitalism. you cannot deny that an incredible amount of how people get ahead is down to this, and not hard work.

In summary, the guy is entitled to his views, but i dont think someone as biased towards their own side should be allowed on the Compact without an opposite view being put forward by another party. at the same time, keep the socialists out - just get rid of him and replace his piece with some embarrassing photo's of idiots on a night out.

I never read anywhere that he was a 'published journalist'. Hes a contributor to a publication, theres a vast difference.

He complains about the policies they put forward. The bin charges example is great. The official socialist party opposes them vigourously and seeks to protect the environment. Yet you cant deny that people put out their bins less often now, thinking about what they can re-use and recycle. Plastic bag charges, again another example.

I agree a lot of people get to the top by who they know. My answer to that is simply "TOUGH SH*IT"!!! Unlike socialism, capitalism doesn't wear its heart on its sleeve, (or whatever that saying is). We dont deny its lack of morality, its a take it or leave it ideology. Capitalists live in the real world, socialists tend to see the world through a purple haze of smoke rings.

Baggly

strychnine wrote:

I never read anywhere that he was a 'published journalist'. Hes a contributor to a publication, theres a vast difference.

A vast difference you are not going to go into because we all know it would be pure semantics

strychnine wrote:

He complains about the policies they put forward. The bin charges example is great. The official socialist party opposes them vigourously and seeks to protect the environment. Yet you cant deny that people put out their bins less often now, thinking about what they can re-use and recycle. Plastic bag charges, again another example.

Look, you can actually read my posts and realise i dont like his tone and way of saying things, not what he is saying, or you can continue to say the same thing in a different way each time

strychnine wrote:

I agree a lot of people get to the top by who they know. My answer to that is simply "TOUGH SH*IT"!!! Unlike socialism, capitalism doesn't wear its heart on its sleeve, (or whatever that saying is). We dont deny its lack of morality, its a take it or leave it ideology. Capitalists live in the real world, socialists tend to see the world through a purple haze of smoke rings.

The 'real' world is the one we make it, so if we live in a world where its kill or be killed, then your reasoning is bang on, but i have to believe that we could, and i emphasise COULD, put aside our baser instincts like greed and jealousy and be better people, not better earners....says the marketing student.

strychnine

A journalist reports events and gives opinions on subjects that are in line with what the overall opinion of the publication is. A contributor can say what he/she wants, they are not tied to the opinion of the publication.
Anyway, its the compact, not a national broadsheet! I dont think what the compact says is likely to shape public opinion or cause outcry!

Ill go back to what i said before. Not one person on this thread has quoted the article or said specifically what words or phrases he uses that tick them off. Its like people are arguing for the sake of it!

Baggly

Its like that all right, isn't it...

I make a point of not taking the compact home.

Frankiestylee

Buddy you've no idea how broad the term journalist is, don't try and pidgeon hole it with your assumptions.

The Compact is DITs only freely available publication and so should be even more balanced then most other publications, it's got a niche market all to itself and shouldn't be allowed to force one view down people's throats without a come back. Does it have a letters section where people can respond? DIT has the oldest journalism course in the country, its publication should be of a certain standard (though the compact no longer has any ties to the journalism course as the DIT independant once had). I haven't been around much this year to comment on this particular edition, but the first year of the magazine was painful beyond belief.

strychnine you should really read what people are saying. I know the thread took a brief detour into politics but it's about one person's dodgey writing and the one-sidedness of the Compact, stop with all the political waffle, it's not the politics forum.

Baggly

strychnine wrote:

I dont think what the compact says is likely to shape public opinion or cause outcry!

I missed this little nugget first time around....tell me, how big an audience does there have to be before it is wrong?

strychnine

Frankiestylee wrote:

Buddy you've no idea how broad the term journalist is, don't try and pidgeon hole it with your assumptions.

The Compact is DITs only freely available publication and so should be even more balanced then most other publications, it's got a niche market all to itself and shouldn't be allowed to force one view down people's throats without a come back. Does it have a letters section where people can respond? DIT has the oldest journalism course in the country, its publication should be of a certain standard (though the compact no longer has any ties to the journalism course as the DIT independant once had). I haven't been around much this year to comment on this particular edition, but the first year of the magazine was painful beyond belief.

strychnine you should really read what people are saying. I know the thread took a brief detour into politics but it's about one person's dodgey writing and the one-sidedness of the Compact, stop with all the political waffle, it's not the politics forum.

Its a pity i havent got the edition of it to hand, but there was one issue where Kevin Byrnes column did not appear and in place of it there was a guy from some socialist movement who responded to byrnes article from the previous issue. If you care enough you should request it from DITSU. It was sometime before chrstmas, probably october or november, i have the december one and its not in that.

compact@ditsu.ie

Im not saying the compact is a marvellous publication, the number of grammatical and spelling errors in it is appalling. The point im making is that this guy has every right to have his opinion and voice it. If you agree with him but think his writing is appalling then get involved with the magazine and suggest that you can do better. If you disagree with him then get involved and ask for your own column. Its very easy to sit back and criticise, if you dont like it get up off your ass and change it.

strychnine

LOTP wrote:

I missed this little nugget first time around....tell me, how big an audience does there have to be before it is wrong?

And where exactly is it wrong? Factually i mean.

Baggly

strychnine wrote:

Im not saying the compact is a marvellous publication, the number of grammatical and spelling errors in it is appalling. The point im making is that this guy has every right to have his opinion and voice it. If you agree with him but think his writing is appalling then get involved with the magazine and suggest that you can do better. If you disagree with him then get involved and ask for your own column. Its very easy to sit back and criticise, if you dont like it get up off your ass and change it.

Its fun too. It remarkable how much you sound like a socialist in that little paragraph there. The fact of the matter is that DIT is such a whole pile of bureaucratic nonsense that to get involved at any level where it would matter, you would have to start weaseling your way to the top two years ago. I did get involved in DIT and DITSU in my first two years before realising what a whole load of pants the whole recreational side of the college is.

But returning to point...just as he has a right to complain about whatever takes his fancy once a month, so too can we complain about his doing so. another point is that while i am not, and have never claimed to be, an editor, i still know what i do and do not like...i do not like his articles for their style of writing.

Finally, i dont see you running to the powers that be with a dictionary in one hand and a determined gleam in your eyes....dont tell me/us to get involved...the day the participative running of the college paper was taken away from students was the day i stopped complaining as if i could be involved and started commenting just like the majority of people who have posted on this thread.

Are you sure you arent the offending author?

strychnine wrote:

And where exactly is it wrong? Factually i mean.

I was referencing the imbalance of opinions....how big or small a publication does it have to be before the imbalance of opinions is wrong....and yes, im well aware socialist publications are the same, but FFS, just because one person does something wrong, it doesnt mean we should all do the same.

strychnine

LOTP wrote:

dont tell me/us to get involved...the day the participative running of the college paper was taken away from students was the day i stopped complaining as if i could be involved and started commenting just like the majority of people who have posted on this thread.

eh, is it not the case that all the contributors are students of DIT? Is it not the case that you HAVE to be a student to be involved!!!!?

As for rest of your rant, well, thats your opinion of DIT.

Baggly

strychnine wrote:

eh, is it not the case that all the contributors are students of DIT? Is it not the case that you HAVE to be a student to be involved!!!!?

You have a serious case of the selective reading my friend. I said running of the paper. while students might write it, editors change it and decide what gets in.

strychnine

LOTP wrote:

You have a serious case of the selective reading my friend. I said running of the paper. while students might write it, editors change it and decide what gets in.

Well i dont think its a case of where they have so much to squeeze in that stuff gets left out and they have to measure column inches and pixel counts.

Also, if you take a look at the picture of the hairy and unshaven editor guy, he doesn't strike me as a straight laced advocate of far right conservative policies. I may be wrong though, my own hair could do with a chop.

Ill say it again, if you dont like it, write to them say you can do a better job.

Frankiestylee

The Compact is the only widely available publication for DIT funded by DIT (There are others produced as part of the final year Journalism course but those only appear once and they never seem to be around).
The editor is not a student of DIT and is employed by the SU. While I believe it's good that the SU acknowledges the effort it takes to edit a magazine, I don't believe it needs to be a post-college job, look at all the other third level publications, especially UCD and Trinity... they produce numerous high quality magazines without paid employees. The students do it themselves and to an extremely high standard.
I'm not around college this year so I don't know what the current editor is like, but I know last years editor was an absolute joke, not only could he not write and edit, he was also horribly biased towards the SU, so much so that I actually did an article on it :P
As for trying to get involved, when the compact first started up I offered my services and I didn't even get a reply to my email. This was before I found out how the SU had messed around with the DIT Independant and screwed alot of people over. Last year I tried to start up an independant magazine for DIT, but the lack of available capital and eventually the lack of interest from my peers made me give it up. I tried doing it through the Journalism society but there was a reluctance to fund it from the SU or whoever deals out the money. So please don't try to use the whole "Its very easy to sit back and criticise, if you dont like it get up off your ass and change it." thing on me, it's very easy to sit back and defend something with a whole lot of ignorance.

One issue of a response does not a balanced magazine make. You're right, The Compact is not a broadsheet, which is why it's even MORE important that it gives a balanced opinion. People buy national papers, people choose what they want to read by putting their money on the counter... it's a fact that most national newspapers have a less then balanced opinion on certain things, that's why some people prefer one newspaper to another, the same goes with most publications... but the Compact is paid for by the students of DIT without any choice in the matter so they deserve a balanced magazine, either that or fund a rival magazine that can act as the Compact's watchdog and vice versa.

strychnine

I like the way you've twisted this around to be all about how bad the compact is, the thread was started on the basis of a discussion of how bad Kevin Byrne is. Obviously from what your saying there are major problems at the heart of the management of communications in DITSU. I preffered the DIT independent myself, the compact is too glossy and is no doubt more expensive to print on that glossy paper. Also, the DIT independent did have a letters section, something the compact does not.

I was unaware that you had applied to help in the compact, and if indeed there is a bias towards one political ideology then this is entirely unacceptable. However, as i said, Kevin Byrne has every right to view his opinions, its up to the management of the compact/DITSU to ensure there is balance, not Kevin Byrne.

As i said, the thread started on the basis of people not liking Kevin Byrne, perhaps there real gripe should be with the editor.

Baggly

Nothing has been twisted, we are responding to your comments....seriously, you are fighting a losing battle here. Just because people have a problem with the compact and the article does not mean both are not sh!tty. im done with this arguement. you seem to be a vested interest who selectively reads and will not look at the other side of the coin.

I dont like the mans articles, and am expressing that view HERE.

Mellor

strychnine wrote:

Its like college. If you have two people, one who works hard, goes to every lecture, studies for exams and hands in assignments on time. And the other who doesn't give sh*it, skips classes, doesn't study and fails exams. Surely at the end of the four years the guy who has worked hard deserves the better degree and a better job. In socialist ideology, they are both equal. I just dont think thats very fair.

No, thats not true. in all ideologies. One student gets a degree, the other gets a chance to try again. i agree our system is better, but it is still full of holes. The effort people put in in college doesn't always relate to their ability in the workplace. Some people work well in the college mind set, but need to put alot of effort in. Some people do ok with no effort. They have more ability and would be better for a job.

Capitalism is the most equal and non discriminatory system there is. Under capitalism it is irrelevant what background a person comes from, what matters solely is the ability of the person to work hard and perform at what they do. Again, ill go back to the college analogy. The free third level education system we have in this country allows someone from any socio-economic background to enter college and be treated as a complete equal. The only barrier to entry is ability.

I don't think this is a good example. It is using Ireland as an example of a capitalist country. We are part capitalist. In a fully capitalist country (america being probably the closest) there wouldn't be a free third level education system. You could have all the ability, and be capable of twice the work or peers, but if you can afford to go to college you can. You are at a lose due to capitalism. Your only option is to get a scholarship, and thats hardly fits into your ideal of the most equal and non discriminatory system there is

Frankiestylee

strychnine wrote:

I like the way you've twisted this around to be all about how bad the compact is, the thread was started on the basis of a discussion of how bad Kevin Byrne is. Obviously from what your saying there are major problems at the heart of the management of communications in DITSU. I preffered the DIT independent myself, the compact is too glossy and is no doubt more expensive to print on that glossy paper. Also, the DIT independent did have a letters section, something the compact does not.

I was unaware that you had applied to help in the compact, and if indeed there is a bias towards one political ideology then this is entirely unacceptable. However, as i said, Kevin Byrne has every right to view his opinions, its up to the management of the compact/DITSU to ensure there is balance, not Kevin Byrne.

As i said, the thread started on the basis of people not liking Kevin Byrne, perhaps there real gripe should be with the editor.

The title of the thread is The Compact, the guy writes for the Compact... a problem with the writer is a problem with the compact. The problem is ultimately with the editor because by the sounds of things he allowed an unskilled and often ignorant (I'm going from others posts) writer to have a column.
You say it's not up to Kevin Byrne to ensure there is a balance, yet it IS expected of people writing for such publications that they tackle such topics objectively. You are expected to have a view, but you're also expected to be objective.

strychnine

To be honest Frankistylee, it sounds like you havent read any of the articles, so "going on other peoples posts" to form an opinion of him is a bit foolish.

If you had read his last article (the basis of this entire thread) then you would see that he talked about how the conservative right in this country has done a lot to try to alleviate poverty, most notably by raising the minimum wage. He also talks about how the right brought in bin charges and plastic bag levies which have resulted in a massive increase in recycling.

Anyway im done with this discussion because theres no point in debating with people when they havent even bothered to read the article and just jump on the bandwagon for the sake of it. People are entitled to have their opinion, i respect that, i think he presents some compelling arguments that are well balanced and well written. I think that his arguments are very hard to counteract, and i know that bugs the hell of left leaning people.

Another final point ill make is that the basis of this latest article is about student life, and how the facts are there to show that socialists have done very little to improve our lot. The compact is a student magazine, he is a student, he writes about student life and how it can and has been improved. How anyone can say he is not qualified to write in this publication is beyond me, but it makes more sense when i learn some people here havent read his articles!

Anyway, ill finish up by doing what no one else has done so far on this thread, quote the damn article.

"The point im making is the two parties who socialists have a habit of degradingly referring to as "right wing parties" have done far more for us students and the poorest people in this country than the socialists could ever hope to do."

Baggly

For i think the fourth time, ill point out the basis of the thread is the compact itself as a publication, not his articles.

The point i am making, and please pay attention to the next line, is:

If the compact insists on giving this guy an article, which they have every right to do, it would make sense to give someone from the opposing side the chance to rebut.

Does this happen? NO. instead, you have three seperately related articles on the same page....which no variety of opinions on any one topic.

While some people may have jumped on a bandwagon here, they most certainly are not wrong in my opinion, while you seem to have backed yourself into a corner, picked a point you like and are not willing to debate the issue at hand.

Could someone please lock this thread before he hurts himself.

melekalikimaka

indeed this is going on a bit but to be fair its not quite out of hand yet, maybe a closing arguement from the afflicted parties then locky locky. or else at bout 2o'clock

Frankiestylee

Just to jump in before anyone goes locky locky... the DIT forum is hardly a fast moving place and I think killing a bit of college related debate is a bit poor form.


And now onto the reply...

Yes Strychnine I haven't read the article, I haven't fed that fact at any stage, but I'm not commenting on the specifics of this guy, you're arguing generalities and broad sweeping comments, I'm just explaining that it is possible for the Kevin Bryne to be unsuitable for the job, to be a poor writer because of the way he gets his message across etc. I haven't read the guys writing, I never said for certain that he was a bad writer, i just argued your view that went along the lines of "it's his opinion so it can't be invalid" kinda.
You've made big sweeping statements about various things (including what a journalist is) so unless you want to confine your arguements to the exact text of Kevin Bryne's articles, please don't try to shut me down for simply repying. If you really really want me to get a copy of the magazine and go through it word for word and possibly pick it apart, then I will, and I'm very good at doing it, but I don't think that's necessary to argue the points that are being made.

melekalikimaka

hummm, just no getting insulty insulty at anyone directly, this forum is aweful busy for a change thanks to this, I actually feel like a mod, sadly no opinions on the topic