OverPair to Board 3 bet pot 1 - 2

SpermManJelly

Villain has called at least 4 3 bets by myself,ive taken down 3 of them with
either betting flop or turn.Im getting the better of him
in all other pots we play.
Seems pretty loose preflop but tightens on the flop.....


Seat 1: X($67.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Y($278.40 in chips)
Seat 3: Z($180 in chips)
Seat 4: Villain ($561.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero($363.85 in chips)


Hero: posts small blind $1
X : posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Hero [Tc Ts]
Cas1noRoyale: raises $6 to $8
Z: folds
Villain: calls $8
Hero: raises to $26



Z: folds
Y: calls $18
Villain: calls $18


*** FLOP *** [4c 7c 2s]
Hero: bets $55
Y : folds
Villain: raises $480.65 to $535.65 and is all-in (Very Fast)Insta

Ste05

I can't really see him having JJ+, so I'd think his range would be 22, 44, 77 and a flush draw (possibly 88 & 99?), the insta action would make me think it's more likely to be a draw. I'd have to make my mind up at the time. I can certainly see myself calling here at times.

Would you respect his game and he yours? I'm just asking due to his stack size, was he a good player or did he donk his way to his stack. There's nothing wrong with folding some 3 bet pots in general did you sense he was getting frustrated with you.

1010 is pretty marginal here and TBH I'd probably just have called PF and played the 3 way pot for set value. Was the casinoroyale guy UTG??

SpermManJelly

He wasn't donking away his stack,I think my positional 3 betting was fcukin with head alrite.He was not a bad player from what I had seen but not impressive either.

CasinoRoyal was not under the gun and was raising many pots to that figure.I 3 bet him here to find out how strong he is.When both flat call Ive gained a nice bit of info.

Ste05

SpermManJelly wrote:

CasinoRoyal was not under the gun and was raising many pots to that figure.I 3 bet him here to find out how strong he is.When both flat call Ive gained a nice bit of info.

What info is that??

opr

Ste05 wrote:

What info is that??

That you shouldn't 3 bet 10's ?

Opr

opr

SpermManJelly wrote:

I 3 bet him here to find out how strong he is.When both flat call Ive gained a nice bit of info.

Its actually a decent spot to 3bet preflop here but not for those reasons.

Opr

Captain Tom

i wouldnt 3 bet here,especially considering how deep you are and the fact that he calls your 3 bets so frequently.all it does is set up marginal situations like this.if i was going to 3 bet id make it closer to $35 too.

as played i doubt he's willing to commit more than 250bb's with any hand that you have crushed(66,88,99).overcards+flush draw/set seem more likely.if you think he's tilting or getting seriously fed up with your 3 bets then its pretty close.otherwise looks like a fold.

edit:also,pushing that quick usually indicates some sort of marginal hand.if he's bad i probably call.

shrapnel222

Captain Tom wrote:

edit:also,pushing that quick usually indicates some sort of marginal hand.if he's bad i probably call.

funny you should say that. I've used this a few times of shoving really quickly on flop or turn when you've got a set, and it seems to work as people have called saying they thought i was on a draw as a set would not insta shove that fast

valor

call preflop, fold now he has a set

SpermManJelly

Press stars timer,called he ace 6 clubs
no drama ace on turn

SpermManJelly

opr wrote:

That you shouldn't 3 bet 10's ?

Opr

Please Opr continue.Come down from your high horse and enlighten me.Tell me why i shouldnt 3 bet with 10s,give me a list of hands I should 3 bet with for future reference something like the periodic table.

I love also how you say its a good spot to 3 bet for other reasons.No expansion no,we gotta pay to see?

opr

SpermManJelly wrote:

Please Opr continue.Come down from your high horse and enlighten me.Tell me why i shouldnt 3 bet with 10s,give me a list of hands I should 3 bet with for future reference something like the periodic table.

I love also how you say its a good spot to 3 bet for other reasons.No expansion no,we gotta pay to see?

I have a nice hand that i would like to see a flop with. In general playing for set value and hoping to maybe stack an OP or A10X flop ........ things like this. Also if the flop is low i have kept the pot manageable so have more chance of getting to a showdown if i think i am ahead.

When i raise in this spot i am hoping to take the pot down preflop which with a hand like 10,10 doesn't make much sense.

Generally when you raise you fold out worse hands and hands that have you crushed will call. Also i could get reraised and now have no implied odds to call for set value.

You say when they both falt called you have gained a nice bit of info ........ what is this ? You have found what is a probably the best flop you could hope for with a pair of 10's and you still don't know where your at. Most of the time you will see an overcard on the flop which is going to be even worse.

It now a very marginal situation i think most of the time the guy has a set in this spot. If not he has Ax of clubs draw which you are only a tiny favourite over. We might even see JJ or QQ here.

Opr

SpermManJelly

opr wrote:

You say when they both falt called you have gained a nice bit of info ........ what is this ?

It now a very marginal situation i think most of the time the guy has a set in this spot. If not he has Ax of clubs draw which you are only a tiny favourite over. We might even see JJ or QQ here.

Opr

What I ment by gaining a nice bit of info is with the flat call pre flop,combined with my continuation bet on flop and the insta push by Villain I was able to gain info,good info.Which in turn made me make the correct call In my opinion.

Heads up for rolls?:);)


the range I put him on was

ace club draw,88,99,

I didnt think jj,qq or set was there so based on the range I gave him I have him crushed in two spots.Also I have 30 seconds
to decide this is not a situation where I post on boards ask for your advice then call/fold.

Thing about it is alot of ppl preach and post here but I'd be sure most dont even use the advice.Now Im not a good player (I am a winning player) but i wouldnt be surprised if you OPR are one who certainly does not practice what you preach.

Just like soccer poker is 'easy' to analyze and just like soccer everyones an expert

opr

SpermManJelly wrote:

What I ment by gaining a nice bit of info is with the flat call pre flop,combined with my continuation bet on flop and the insta push by Villain I was able to gain info,good info.Which in turn made me make the correct call In my opinion.

Heads up for rolls?:);)


the range I put him on was

ace club draw,88,99,

I didnt think jj,qq or set was there so based on the range I gave him I have him crushed in two spots.Also I have 30 seconds

You really think that he is going to commit 250bb with 88 , 99 when you have cleared defined your hand as on OP ??? These are your words not mine " Seems pretty loose preflop but tightens on the flop....."
How you rule out a set here is something i really don't get and think is very wrong.

SpermManJelly wrote:

Thing about it is alot of ppl preach and post here but I'd be sure most dont even use the advice.Now Im not a good player (I am a winning player) but i wouldnt be surprised if you OPR are one who certainly does not practice what you preach.

You know when people go to the trouble of writing a detailed response to something which you have asked them to expand on its generally not a good idea to insult them.

I much rather when i post a hand and someone is critical of me as it generally means i learned something new. In regards to praticing what i preach i don't think anything i said is groundbreaking and would come as second nature to most winning players.

Opr

SpermManJelly

Misinterpreted your post there,edited my response

Ive shown down very little hands against him so theres no reason for this not so impressive player to not give me credit for hand.Theres nothing to say that he doesnt think im a abd player and am continuation betting with ak,aq.This is 1 -2 like.Also if he does have 88 or 99 does he just fold,hes not a great player but since I said tightens on the flop based on your application of my comment to the situation he would fold 88 and 99(an over pair to the board).Does the range i put him on become nullified because of a comment which was merely an estimation of the player and not fact.

opr wrote:

You know when people go to the trouble of writing a detailed response


Opr

How is ''don't 3 bet with tens'' a 'detailed response.Go out of your way to post that crap did ya,break a sweat producing such a great comment.

You only attempted to give an even basic response after I called you on your don't 3 bet with 10s comment.

breadmonkey

SpermManJelly wrote:

You only attempted to give an even basic response after I called you on your don't 3 bet with 10s comment.

*bump*
where is that thread where Robin Lacey talks about this? Anyone remember?

Marq

lazy people: it's in the poker guide sticky.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055053321