mayweather apologises

cowzerp

Its all about selling tickets-mayweather has been quite humble since the fight and was on jay leno praising de la hoya, this was a new article i found on the web..

The boxing star apologized for remarks made about the UFC
Dana White was in the crowd at the MGM Arena last Saturday and watched up close Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s win by split decision over Oscar De La Hoya, in the most-awaited boxing match in recent times. At the end of the battle, Mayweather announced his retirement from boxing. That was enough for White, president of the UFC, to start talk of possibly hiring the boxing star to fight for his organization.
According to White, his goal is to set up a fight between Mayweather and Sean Sherk, current lightweight champion and opponent of the Brazilian Hermes Franca at UFC 73, on July 7th. Needless to say, the dream is not likely to become a reality, as Mayweather has never shown interest in fighting MMA. What the pugilist did, however, was apologize to the Fertitta brothers, owners of the UFC, for having criticized the organization, its athletes and the sport as a whole.
“I would like to ask forgiveness of the UFC. Sometimes we say things we should not and I am man enough to admit that. I want to apologize to the Fertitta brothers and Dana White. I respect the UFC fighters and what they do,” declared Mayweather.

dlofnep

His apology doesn't mean anything. We already know he'd get smoked in MMA.

There's another guy however who's more than happy to step against Sherk. His name escapes me at the moment.. I think he's the IBF welterweight champ.

Valmont

knowing how trigger happy Zuffa are with the solicitors notices, I'd say that wasn't a self-motivated apology... I don't really care though, he can say what he wants. Just makes him look bad

Colm_OReilly

Way to rise above it and graciously accept the apology guys.

Colm
-A little more forgiving

dlofnep

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Way to rise above it and graciously accept the apology guys.

Colm
-A little more forgiving

Ah Colm, PBF is the most arrogant and insulting man in boxing today. That apology carries no weight and was probably only suggested by his publicist.

Khannie

Anyone have a quote on what he was apologising for?

I think Mayweather's an arrogant prick. As such I find it difficult to believe that his apology was purely because he felt like it was the right thing to do.

dlofnep

Khannie wrote:

Anyone have a quote on what he was apologising for?

I think Mayweather's an arrogant prick. As such I find it difficult to believe that his apology was purely because he felt like it was the right thing to do.

Don't have a direct quote, but basically he said UFC fighters didn't possess any skill and the only reason why they do it is because they couldnt make it in boxing. Something to that effect.

Mark Hamill

dlofnep wrote:

His apology doesn't mean anything. We already know he'd get smoked in MMA.

There's another guy however who's more than happy to step against Sherk. His name escapes me at the moment.. I think he's the IBF welterweight champ.

His name is Kermit Cintron, here's an article:
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3917&zoneid
He thinks he can beat an MMA fighter because he was a college wrestler

Marty Mc

...this should be interesting if it EVER comes off...maybe an eye opener for all the mma misbelievers.

mikeruurds

He's got balls if he thinks that he can topple a UFC fighter who is a master of all 3 ranges with his 1.5 ranges.

It'll be good to watch anyway... all 30 seconds of the fight.

Khannie

dlofnep wrote:

Don't have a direct quote, but basically he said UFC fighters didn't possess any skill and the only reason why they do it is because they couldnt make it in boxing. Something to that effect.

Hahahaha. Pity we'll never see him get owned.

RealJohn

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Way to rise above it and graciously accept the apology guys.

Colm
-A little more forgiving

Word.
Sure the guy is a jerk. Sure, he probably doesn't mean it but at least he came out and said it.

As for the challenge, in fairness, PBF isn't a 155 pounder. He fought DLH at that weight and came in well below the limit whereas we all know Sherk cuts significant weight to make that limit. PBF also hasn't had knockout power since he moved up to WW and it's his defensive skills that make him the boxer he is but that simply wouldn't translate to MMA. Would he get owned in MMA? Absolutely and it wouldn't even take someone as good as Sherk to do it.

To make it a fairer test of what's being claimed, it should be a heavy-hitting boxer against an MMA guy who would be primarily a striker. That would be a much more reasonable test.

Nothingcompares

Mark Hamill wrote:

His name is Kermit Cintron, here's an article:
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3917&zoneid
He thinks he can beat an MMA fighter because he was a college wrestler

I'm not sure if this guy is genuinely interested in fighting MMA, perhaps, as the article implies, he is doing it just to hype up is forthcoming fight and squeeze some more dollars out of it.

If he does indeed intend to fight MMA, can the UFC afford to pay him to fight? Secondly, does he deserve a well paid place on a UFC card when there are more and more talented MMA fighters coming through?

He's a professional boxer with a bit of college wrestling, given 6 months to train, I'd guess he'll be pretty formidable competitor. However, against any of the top 10 guys in MMA (UFC, Pride calibre fighters) he'll get slaughtered.

I hope it happens so he gets whooped and the boxing world takes notice. But I'd rather see a genuine MMA fight then this type of thing.

RealJohn

Nothingcompares wrote:

If he does indeed intend to fight MMA, can the UFC afford to pay him to fight? Secondly, does he deserve a well paid place on a UFC card when there are more and more talented MMA fighters coming through?

Money is an obvious issue alright and I reckon that's a huge factor in why we don't (and probably won't) see high level boxers in MMA. The top boxers make much more than the top MMA guys so financially, it's stupid for them to fight in a different sport which will give them little or no respect in their own sport, a serious pay-cut and a huge risk of massage damage to their reputation as a fighter if they lose.

I think the only way it could happen is if MMA appeals to the competitive nature of one of the higher level boxers who has already made a lot of money from boxing so the potential financial hit and loss in drawing power in his own sport won't bother him.

<edit> As for asking if he would deserve a high-up slot on an MMA card when there are up and coming MMA guys, do you think Ken Shamrock deserved his pay-packet for his second and third Tito beatdowns? Did any of us seriously think Shamrock had a chance?

KdjaCL

If Mayweather fought in UFC , how much would he get?


kdjac

dlofnep

The UFC wouldn't bother paying Mayweather's check, which would be about 15 million per fight. They have 100's of actual mixed martial artists who would fight 10 times more efficient for 100th of the pay and even less.

King.Penguin

You can't rule out the possibility that if a big pro boxer fought a ufc calibre fighter, the boxer would attempt to fix the fight. If Floyd was fighting Sean Sherk and was getting 15 million, he'd be best giving a million or two to Sean Sherk to prevent him from killing him.

cowzerp

Do some of you not cop on that mayweather only opens his mouth to create interest and this is a good business man, that is why he got 15 million for his fight,he earned it with the interest he generated, im not a big fan of his but at his natural weight-about 140 or so, i would genuinely think he'd whop most mma fighters-chuck is not even a good boxer and uses boxing skills to beat all in his weight-with mayweathers footwork and speed he'd be very hard to takedown-and against boxers with this skill and more k'o power i dont think mma fighters would find it so easy. some of the mma fans dont understand how good the top pro's are, even a good amateur is dangerous never mind the top pro boxers..anyway, i've seen him interviewed since after his fight and he's like a different man, not trying to sell tickets now..

dlofnep

cowzerp wrote:

im not a big fan of his but at his natural weight-about 140 or so, i would genuinely think he'd whop most mma fighters

Kid Yamamoto is his weight, Kid is a great wrestler and would put him on his back and pound him to oblivion. Urijah Faber would do the same. Jeff Curran would submit him too.

cowzerp wrote:

chuck is not even a good boxer and uses boxing skills to beat all in his weight

Chuck uses his wrestling to keep it on it's feet, SO he can use his striking skills to win the fight. Striking alone doesn't win fights.

cowzerp wrote:

-with mayweathers footwork and speed he'd be very hard to takedown

Boxing footwork and speed doesn't mean he would be anymore equipped with stopping a deep double leg. If he wanted to stop a takedown, it's years of wrestling training that would make it happen and not bouncing around.

Darkwarrior

dlofnep wrote:

Ah Colm, PBF is the most arrogant and insulting man in boxing today.

I take it you've never heard of Aussie boxer Anthony Mundine then?

Sureley not dlofnep - you're this forums equivalent to Statto from ITV's Fantasy Football League

Seriously though, I'm sure ya do know him and I for one hope "The Man" (says it all really!) steps into the ring against Joe Calzaghe and gets his big mouth shut.

The sooner all this Boxing vs MMA bull**** goes away the better...for both sports.

Darkwarrior

dlofnep wrote:

Kid Yamamoto is his weight, Kid is a great wrestler and would put him on his back and pound him to oblivion. Urijah Faber would do the same. Jeff Curran would submit him too.



Chuck uses his wrestling to keep it on it's feet, SO he can use his striking skills to win the fight. Striking alone doesn't win fights.



Boxing footwork and speed doesn't mean he would be anymore equipped with stopping a deep double leg. If he wanted to stop a takedown, it's years of wrestling training that would make it happen and not bouncing around.

I agree with all of this by the way!

cowzerp

dlofnep wrote:

Kid Yamamoto is his weight, Kid is a great wrestler and would put him on his back and pound him to oblivion. Urijah Faber would do the same. Jeff Curran would submit him too.

Chuck uses his wrestling to keep it on it's feet, SO he can use his striking skills to win the fight. Striking alone doesn't win fights.

Thats just an opinion-i can just as easily say that mayweather would knock him out but thats just a guess.

im also aware of chucks wrestling background, but he uses this to get off the floor when he goes to ground, he stays out of range when on his feet waiting for a chance to counter, this is easy more boxing than wrestling..

Dragan

cowzerp wrote:

im also aware of chucks wrestling background, but he uses this to get off the floor when he goes to ground, he stays out of range when on his feet waiting for a chance to counter, this is easy more boxing than wrestling..

So you are telling me that standing up and moving are more of a boxing skill? Ridiculous. It's just moving.

You say that people have no appreciation for how good the top pro boxers are? I think you have no idea as to how fast a top tier wrestler moves. They move like you would not believe. Go back and watch Sherk vs Florian and you'll see Sherk cross the Octagon on his knees at the same speed Florian does standing.

The distance that a skilled wrestler can cover ground at is scary, genuinely so. Boxers don't use footwork to make large movements across the ring, the use it to make small ones. A good wrestler is taking down a good boxer 99 times out of 100.

crokester

here is Vince Phillips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnY9JsPxBvU

Here is Arthur Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gjw47NFzI

Here is Ray Mercer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXdXtLCt3A

Another Mercer fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXkcYul1LRo

Seems to me a distinct lack of all the things you mention by all the boxers that fought k1 in these vids cowzerp, i.e the moving in and out quickly and picking off opponents. You seem to think boxers are better then wrestlers at their own game by the sounds of it.

Khannie

Nothingcompares wrote:

He's a professional boxer with a bit of college wrestling

Not just a bit....He came 10th at national level in the US. :eek: I'd say he could have a some chance but kicking and knees would be a real area of weakness and we've all seen how quickly a well placed knee can end a fight. Also, boxers strength is definitely focused in different areas. You need only look at their body shape v's MMA heads to see that.

dlofnep

Darkwarrior wrote:

I take it you've never heard of Aussie boxer Anthony Mundine then?

Sureley not dlofnep - you're this forums equivalent to Statto from ITV's Fantasy Football League

Seriously though, I'm sure ya do know him and I for one hope "The Man" (says it all really!) steps into the ring against Joe Calzaghe and gets his big mouth shut.

The sooner all this Boxing vs MMA bull**** goes away the better...for both sports.

Yes I know him

dlofnep

cowzerp wrote:

Thats just an opinion-i can just as easily say that mayweather would knock him out but thats just a guess.

Yes it is opinion, but I'm pretty sure any bookie would side with my opinion. Mayweather COULd knock them out, but in the sport of MMA, boxing is just one range - Mayweather is not competent at the others. You might think I'm dogging on boxing, but I'm not - I love boxing, but I'm a realist. Someone like Kid Yamamoto would put Mayweather on their back with ease.

cowzerp wrote:

im also aware of chucks wrestling background, but he uses this to get off the floor when he goes to ground, he stays out of range when on his feet waiting for a chance to counter, this is easy more boxing than wrestling..

That's wrong, he doesn't just only use it to get off the floor when it goes to the ground.. He uses it to make sure it doesn't go to the ground. Only top tier wrestlers have been able to put him on his back, and even Couture had problems with it.

Unless a boxer has a wrestling background, he's not going to be able to stop a deep shot. I'm actually suprised you think this way considering you follow MMA.

cowzerp

dlofnep wrote:

I'm actually suprised you think this way considering you follow MMA.

i follow mma and fight mma, i like to think my take down defense is good, and i credit this to my footwork-most times i've ended up on the ground is when im fighting a stand up fighter and we are slugging or if i slip.
most fighters who do k1 are heavyweights that are finished there boxing carreer and are looking for a payday, big slow feckers.
chuck is not that fast at moving, he simply stays out of range and waits for counter punching-when was this a wrestling tactic? wrestlers want to be in close so how is this got to do with wrestling.

dlofnep

cowzerp wrote:

i follow mma and fight mma, i like to think my take down defense is good, and i credit this to my footwork

Considering there is no wrestling program in Ireland in schools, I don't think there are many people in Ireland that have good wrestling. A handful at most.. and even those wouldn't compare to the d-1 level wrestlers in the US.

cowzerp wrote:

most times i've ended up on the ground is when im fighting a stand up fighter and we are slugging or if i slip.

Im sure if a "wrestler" wanted to put you on your back, he would. But then again, Ireland is not really the right country to test your takedown defense.

cowzerp wrote:

most fighters who do k1 are heavyweights that are finished there boxing carreer and are looking for a payday, big slow feckers.

Most fighters or most boxers? Most fighters are kickboxers and always have been, boxers have played a very small role in K-1. Off the top of my head, Mercer, Botha & Skelton.. I'm sure there were 1 or 2 more.

cowzerp wrote:

chuck is not that fast at moving, he simply stays out of range and waits for counter punching-when was this a wrestling tactic? wrestlers want to be in close so how is this got to do with wrestling.

He doesn't always have the liberty of staying out of range. A boxer could stay out of range, but he would still be taken down with a deep shot. Chuck has been in clinch-range on many occasions and did fine. besides, even if you have range and you've no sprawl - you'll still be taken down.

Chuck wins his fights do to his wrestling background and his striking. For you to rule out wrestling plays a part in his wins is a tad silly.

Subbway

In my experiences good wrestler who has done wrestling since childhood have taken me down ridiculously easily. My friend weights good 15kg less than me and haven't done any wrestling in last 4 years.

But he used to be finnish national champ in grecoroman and did it until he turned 20. The quality is pretty good of grecowrestlers in finland. He started around 4 years old. And now when i grapple with him standing it feels rather silly (Before i grappled with him i thought my takedown defence is decent). That's just my two cents on this issue.

Subbway

Also i think my bad pulling guard habit came from this humbling experience

damo

heres a section from an article about sherk which i think really sums up the boxing/punching in mma debate:

But anyone who believes Mayweather would have a chance to defeat Sherk or any other world-class mixed martial artist doesn't understand the differences between the sports.

Boxing fans who watch MMA for the first time frequently view it as bad boxing. What they don't understand is that the stance MMA fighters take in their stand-up game is different because of all they have to defend.

Sherk said he'd salivate if he saw a fighter in front of him in a boxing stance.

"In traditional boxing, all you have to worry about is punches," Sherk said. "Given that, a boxer’s footwork is different, his stance is different, his shoulder direction is different and he squares up differently.

"In MMA, you have to worry about punches, kicks, knees, takedowns and a lot of things a boxer doesn’t think about. If I saw someone in a boxing stance, right away, I'd know it was a good thing for me, because his foot placement is so wrong.

"It allows me to kick and there’s no way to cover it with that stance. He would have no possible sprawl for my takedowns and he couldn't shoot. He would be too limited and, I guess you could say, really defenseless."