Opinions on 2 cash game hands in the SE

Flushdraw

Just wondering about your thoughts on 2 cash games i played last night in the aquarium.

1st hand. I have c. 600 Villian has 500

A few limpers so i limp with J10s. BB makes it 10, we all call.

Flop is AQ9r (60)

BB leads for 25. 1 caller. I call

Turn is a 5x

BB bets 35, limper calls. I call

River is a Jx

BB bets out 50, gets called and he shows AK to win the pot

Theres a few ways to go about this hand. I could fold preflop, unlikely in a multiway pot. I could pump the flop or i could pump the turn. I'm 90% sure that the BB has AK here and its unlikely he'll fold to a pot bet so i'm against inflating the pot on a draw. I also feel that if i hit my straight (which will be the nuts), he will pay me off because the K will give him 2 pair and i'll take a small bet off him if the 8 hits. Limper in the pot was calling with a lone 9

I dont think folding is an option because implied odds make this worth while but is optimum play just flat calling all the way here?

2nd hand i have 300+ and i'm dealt KQs in MP

Brian W is the deciding factor in how i played this hand. He is on the button with 30 and this is his last hand so its going in on the blind. Not sure who else noticed this.

Theres a blind raise to 4 and a raise to 10. i call, CO calls, Brian ships it. Both blinds call the 30, UTG calls 30 and original raiser calls the 30. I ship it (comments?) Its also my last 3 or 4 hands because theres not a lot of money at the table and only 1 person has me covered.

Everyone folds bar the original raiser who calls. i have covered him covered by 15 quid.Anyway he has A10 and A high takes the pot. Good, bad or indifferent?

I'm in work now so can only check into boards now and again!

58o

I like the second one, creative. The guy who called with A 10 is a sicko. (not a boardsie by any chance?)

BigCityBanker

If you have villian on an A in hand one and you to catch then its fine. Esp if you say he isnt folding to a pot bet.

In general I think its fine but somebody has shown strength from early position and depending on the villian he may never fold. Its fine if you expect everyone to fold. Sometimes I peel off a flop and take it from there.

Gholimoli

Hand 1:
If you think BB has an A (any A ) and is not folding it then there is no point in raising .
Calling is fine and by thins you have kept the other lad in the pot which in effect gives you better odds to draw.
If you think he does not have the A or can fold or can slow down with just the bare A then raising the flop is best.
You will often get a free river card by doing this as more than likely he will check all one pair hands to you on the turn .(he may even check other bigger hand to you just so he can trap you with a check raise ,either way more than likely you will see a free river).

Hand 2:
You can really have much here Tony.
Your hand looks like what is and I would prob have made the call with AT expecting to be ahead or 50/50 at worse.
You calling the 10 raise will more than likely induce other callers and this is very clear.
If you had much of a hand you would not really the flat call.
I understand that you are saying that you knew Brian is going to ship it so the action is coming back to you but it takes an extremely observant opponent to think this is what you had planed and to be honest most people just aint.

58o

edit:actually gholi's reasoning above is prob sounder .I would never expect you to play a premium hand this way and would be slightly suspicous of a move being pulled. A 10 is still a bit light to call though no? I guess it is the S.E

Gholimoli

58o wrote:

edit:actually gholi's reasoning above is prob sounder .I would never expect you to play a premium hand this way and would be slightly suspicous of a move being pulled. A 10 is still a bit light to call though no? I guess it is the S.E

AT would be in the bottom of the range that I would call with here.
I don’t think Tony would ever have JJ+ here to be honest.
He may have AJ,AQ here some times but it’s a good place to make a move as well so some times he may have Ax .
I think with the amount of money in the pot its good call with AT to be honest.

Flushdraw

I didnt mind the call with A10. The raiser was Luke, english fella, a good player.Not sure if he posts though. He didnt show any real stregth by flat calling 30 after a few callers so i didnt put him on any hand that crushed me i.e AA,KK,QQ or AK. Possibly AQ but i'd be happy to get headsup with the allin blind bet and also happy to race with over €100 dead money in the pot.

I dont think the A10 call was bad because he probably read it for what it was. I played my big hands fast all night so i just figured that it wouldnt look like an out and out steal although i probably would have bet this with 87s tbh.

Gus Ivey

I think hand 1 was played correctly. as u played it u didnt raise and called bets gettin huge odds/implied odds.

not sure bout hand 2 but im sure youve made crazier moves than that Tony!!:D

valor

I dont like hand 2 much at all

Hand 1 is fine, I would raise preflop first time around. Postflop seems good

semibluff

hand one was fine, against fishies hit your hand, bet it strong and then be happyn when they still call you even when you should be put on the only drawing hand out there. You got the river cheap, wp and ul in my books

Agree with Gholi, putting you on a hand is next to impossible (unless the table if full of limp callin re-raising, and considering its the SE i doubt it, and even if it is i doubt many would realise the possible strength of how you played it (aware of the buttons all in etc)) if you feel like a gamboooooooool then pushing is fine, but you should be expecting atleast one call (small pair, ace rag etc) with the dead money in the pot already it aint the worst move ever, even though there is little fold equity

semibluff

valor wrote:

Hand 1 is fine, I would raise preflop first time around. Postflop seems good

i suppose hindsight is a brilliant thing, but if he ahd of raised surely the AK would have re-raised and he would have found himself invested in a massive pot already. then it makes it alot harder to see a turn card (itl prob b heads up) and alot easier to go bust against the AK

valor

thats just completely results orientated thinking - we would in fact have lost less because we would probably have folded to the re raise (depending on size)