How easy a laydown should this be?

58o

OK, not a super interesting hand but its a situation that is repeatedly cropping up for me in online tournies. Live i find it a lot easier to get away in these situations.
Ipoker 5000 GTD Double stack
Playing 4 handed Blinds 1500/3000
SB 56000
BB(villain)
Hero 80000
Button
The other two players left arent up to much as far as i can tell.
Payout 1st 1770
2nd 1180
3rd 590
4th 470

History - Have not been involved in two many hands of note with villain before but have been most aggressive player pre and post flop. Pulled a checkraise stop and go on him a few orbits earlier when he was stealing my BB. (was 6 handed then)


I get JJ utg and raise it to 9000. Fold, fold and villain reraises to 27000 from the BB. I ship and he calls with QQ. GL , WP , GG.

My question is, is this just unlucky 4 handed or should this be an easy laydown. I have to say in similar spots live i can fold but online i have great difficulty when it is shorthanded to lay down QQ or JJ unless up against an absolute nit. Its costing me moolah, 3rd time this month I've ran QQ/JJ into the only guy who covers me when 3/4 handed. Opinions?

imalegend

i go broke in this situation every time aswell...im sure some1 will post up the likehood of running into qq,kk or ace ace 4 handed!

Only time you could seriously consider passing here is a wsop sat for example with 3 packages on offer and 4 players left.

NickyOD

Come on. If his range includes TT, AQ and AK you know you have to push. I have pushed here and seen donkeys call with 55 and KQ, even at final tables with a decent payout.

You'd have to be certain this guy is Really tight to fold Jacks.

Phil-Dublin

them bloody HOOKS will break me every time aswell

the problem is that while they look like a great hand, very colorful hand ok, but thats about it, either you play them like aces or hope to catch a set on the flop.

all i know is that when i see them an alarm goes off in my head

"Danger Will Robinson, Danger"

I'm really not good enough to offer advice, but i would fold to that sized raise in that situation, a player of your skill level should probably wait and beat these guys after the flops with skillful play

Phil

cooker3

I go broke here and not worry too much about it.

Mr.Plough

Phil-Dublin wrote:

them bloody HOOKS will break me every time aswell

the problem is that while they look like a great hand, very colorful hand ok, but thats about it, either you play them like aces or hope to catch a set on the flop.

all i know is that when i see them an alarm goes off in my head

"Danger Will Robinson, Danger"

I'm really not good enough to offer advice, but i would fold to that sized raise in that situation, a player of your skill level should probably wait and beat these guys after the flops with skillful play

Phil

theres hardly going to be much post flop play with 4 left in a mtt givin the stacks.

i shove 100% of the time btw

Shadowless

You've been the most aggressive player at the table. He could be playing back with any pair, any Ace, any 2 suited broadway cards. You're miles ahead of his range.

Ship the sherbert every time...

LuckyLloyd

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cooker3

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

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I really wouldn't worry about this too much. If you are going to laydown JJ here then you will be quite exploitable four - handed.

Umn, that is what I said?

sitout

it kinda depends on how the other 2 guys are stacked behind you here. mostly (90%) of the time im all in here baring one of the other guys is very short stacked (3/4 big blinds), if he/she is then il fold though im not saying its easy. i also agree with your point that laying this kind of hand down is alot easier live than online.

jimmii

If your folding jacks here your probably folding to many hands 4 handed. Getting it all in here has to be +EV.

Captain Tom

cooker3 wrote:

Umn, that is what I said?

and he agreed...

The Clamper

depending on the size of stack the other 2 plebs had

if they are low stacked, i might wait for a better opportunity, but then thats my tight hat on

if they have a big stack, i'd shove em all in, no guts no glory hat there

tbh, you have to assume you are ahead in a 4 handed game, and if you are like me, shove and gamble

usually, 4 handed, any ace is good, but then you done have one

confused yet?

shove em in. every time in this situation

no wonder i cant finish higher than 2nd