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Mr Saxon and other things

  • 07-05-2007 11:38am
    #1
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    Ok, any ideas who this Mr. Saxon is?

    Also, what are peoples opinions on the latest continuity vs the older one (ie that the Time Lords are now destroyed from a Time War vs other Time Lords where around and the Doctor was self-imposingly exiled)

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  • #2
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,002 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Mr. Saxon = the Master. Has to be. There's lots of references this season to the Doctor being the last of the Time Lords and then the Face of Bo implied that this wasn't quite true... so there could be another Time Lord.

    Mr. Saxon also seems to know the Doctor inordinately well and is a bit obsessed with him - just like the Master.

    Mr. Saxon is involved in Earth - just like the Master often was (even if it was to p1ss off the Doctor).

    The Doctor also mentioned, in "Smith and Jones" that he had a brother once. The Master was often rumoured to be the Doctor's brother - foreshadowing, I reckon, for the reveal of Saxon-as-Master.
    Also, what are peoples opinions on the latest continuity vs the older one (ie that the Time Lords are now destroyed from a Time War vs other Time Lords where around and the Doctor was self-imposingly exiled)
    Well "Doctor Who" was never the best at canon. The Time Lords were actually destroyed in the BBC novels that followed from the '96 TV Movie in a way that was far more interesting than Daleks so him as the last of the Time Lords is an idea that's been creatively explored before (including by some of the people currently writing for the show).


  • #3
    popebenny16
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    yep, as per sticky at the top of this forum, its gotta be the master, and about time and all. Last we saw of him (including the film) he had gone compleatly over the top and, in fact, insane, so it'll be good to see how he's doing.

    as for continuity.... was the doctor really exciled or leave of his own accord? in The War Games it was implied that he wasnt and according to which episdoes you watch he was either there at the very start of time lord society with Rassilon and Omega or he wasnt... and he may have also tried to kill himself by coming back in time as the valeyard.... yet in others he is portrayed as a little guy.... take your pick!!!

    so its very hard to be precise regarding continuity... dont forget that some writers were told to deliver scripts which referenced older stories that they had never even read or seen... so we get a lot of contradictions - which is half the fun of Doctor Who in the first place.

    Just on that point... we havent seen OUR Cybermen yet, havent we? Maybe next year.


  • #4
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,002 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    popebenny16 wrote:
    as for continuity.... was the doctor really exciled or leave of his own accord? in The War Games it was implied that he wasnt
    Then there's Season 6b too. This accounts for the fact that we see an older 2nd Doctor in "The Five Doctors", older than the one in "The War Games". Only way this could happen is if he was around after that episode. Theory goes that he worked for the Time Lords for a while before finally choosing to settle down on Earth, in a third incarnation, as penance.
    and according to which episdoes you watch he was either there at the very start of time lord society with Rassilon and Omega or he wasnt... and he may have also tried to kill himself by coming back in time as the valeyard.... yet in others he is portrayed as a little guy.... take your pick!!!
    Very true - the first few incarnations had him mostly as doddering or a little imp. Later on then he became more Machievellian - the ends justified the means. This, as you say, culminated somewhat in the Valeyard, a representation of what the Doctor would be like if he continued down a certain path.

    The Cartmel Masterplan, which had this Other (who may/may not be the Doctor) at the beginning of the Time Lords was something they wanted to bring into the original show in S26+. It would've shown the Doctor as far more powerful than he was originally portrayed. The best way to see what might've happened is to read 'Lungbarrow' (available in expensive book format or free online at the BBC site) which explains, to some degree, the Doctor/Susan/the Other relationship whilst, importantly, still leaving the Doctor as mostly an enigma.

    I think that's important - we can know the Doctor's principles and beliefs, but we should never know him fully. That little bit of alien should always be kept back from us, to stop us knowing fully the mysterious time traveller.


  • #5
    popebenny16
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    Yep, agree with that. The course of his evolution could also be seen in Death Comes To Time... and Rememberance of the Daleks comes to mind as well...... in fact the mcCoy Doctor was in retrospect a truely wonderful creration which sadly never was allowed to develope its true potential.... although there is a certain conenction with the Ecclestone Doctor that makes me think that Ecclestone must have watched the 1989 season or that RTD briefed him on it....


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