Gerry Adams on tax (RTE Just Now)

mike65

He was pressed strongly on tax, the SF policy is now to not raise corporation tax and to not consider anyone on 100,000 as rich, he did'nt say what the new SF definition of wealthy was. So it seems our money is safe!

Mike.

Wishbone Ash

He was a bit evasive about income tax in general. He's not raising it but he's not lowering it either yet they are going to overhaul it!

darkman2

I thought he sounded unwell or something.

- I wont be voting SF anytime soon......

1huge1

^ your not the only one thats for sure

brianthebard

Wishbone Ash wrote:

He was a bit evasive about income tax in general. He's not raising it but he's not lowering it either yet they are going to overhaul it!

SF evasive about their policies? unpossible! Their manifesto still isn't on their dedicated general election website. What are people voting for when they pick SF?

Time Magazine

brianthebard wrote:

SF evasive about their policies? unpossible! Their manifesto still isn't on their dedicated general election website. What are people voting for when they pick SF?

Rights and reform. Don't they sound nice? Exactly what rights and reforms, nobody knows, but rights and reforms nonetheless.

There was a thread in the transport forum dealing with their transport policy..
It got moved to the thunderdome after page 3 but the first 2 pages are emmmm interesting LoL.

here it is.

jd

He sounded like he had a bad cold. I suspect from his vagueness that he wouldn't be able to recollect the income tax rates in the republic.
jd

Colonel Sanders

brianthebard wrote:

What are people voting for when they pick SF?

must say I've been asking myself this for years.

ateam

His lack of clarity spoke volumns. Sinn Fein are really good at convincing working class people that changes brought in their community was because of them. They allegedly come across as hard working.

Our man in Havana

I often wondered why doesn't he stand for election down south? SF must have a few safe seats they could parachute him into.

Wishbone Ash

Bond-007 wrote:

I often wondered why doesn't he stand for election down south?

Maybe it's because he's a British citizen. :eek:

Our man in Havana

That would not prevent him from standing for the Dail elections.

mike65

He'd say I don't need to stand for election down here as SF is an all-Ireland party.

Mike.

Our man in Havana

mike65 wrote:

He'd say I don't need to stand for election down here as SF is an all-Ireland party.

Mike.

It would be such a killer for him if they got in that he couldn't call the shots in the Dail.

Wishbone Ash

Bond-007 wrote:

That would not prevent him from standing for the Dail elections.

I know Bond-007- it was a joke!

Boston

brianthebard wrote:

SF evasive about their policies? unpossible! Their manifesto still isn't on their dedicated general election website. What are people voting for when they pick SF?

Sinn Fein get votes based on loyalty to local individual and the wider republican credentials. Not manifestos and economic policies.

ateam wrote:

His lack of clarity spoke volumns. Sinn Fein are really good at convincing working class people that changes brought in their community was because of them. They allegedly come across as hard working.

I take it your not working class yourself. You ever stop to think that the reason their really good at convincing working class people is because the change in their community can be linked to individual Sinn Fein TD's and councillors. Sinn Fein members are among the most active (And most importantly are seen to be) in disadvantaged areas, and that's not just at election time. As a party and as a movement I've no time for Sinn Fein but I could see myself voting for individual members.

Wishbone Ash

Boston wrote:

Sinn Fein get votes based on loyalty to local individual and the wider republican credentials. Not manifestos and economic policies

"Wider republican credentials" isn't that important down south. Many voters in the ROI couldn't give a toss about NI but may care about economic policies.

Boston

Wishbone Ash wrote:

"Wider republican credentials" isn't that important down south. Many voters in the ROI couldn't give a toss about NI but may care about economic policies.

Well what you described there is why some don't vote for them. The question was why do people vote for them and Republicanism is a reason.

Wishbone Ash

Boston wrote:

Well what you described there is why some don't vote for them. The question was why do people vote for them and Republicanism is a reason.

But they're interested in the people that don't vote for them. Not much point preaching to the converted,

Boston

There seems to be some communications problem here.
Question: "What are people voting for when they pick SF"
Answer: Local loyalty to individuals and republicanism

You then make a true but irrelevant point in an apparent effort to contradict me.

Wishbone Ash

Boston wrote:

There seems to be some communications problem here.
Question: "What are people voting for when they pick SF"
Answer: Local loyalty to individuals and republicanism

You then make a true but irrelevant point in an apparent effort to contradict me.

Point taken, but I think brianthebard may be asking why traditionally non-SF voters be tempted to vote for them.

de5p0i1er

darkman2 wrote:

- I wont be voting SF anytime soon......

Me neither but there are quite a few who will. Its seen as cool to vote SF by some young ppl who don't seem to know anything about politics. Sad really that they could get seats because there cool and not because they could do a good job of running the country.

Villain

All politics is local and Sinn Fein are very good at local politics thats where most of their votes come from along with people who support the move from violence to politics in Northern Ireland.

TBH I'd be more interested in knowing why turnout in Irish elections has fallen from the high 70's in the 1970's to low 60's in recent elections.

trao

Gerry seems to be saying that taxes won't go up for folks earning under 100k. I better chat with the landlord to see if we can set up a house redecoration fund to hide the balance of my pay packet from the Shinners.

Until very recent times, SF still talked about a 32 socialist republic. Is that still SF's aim? During the interview Gerry talked about all Ireland corporate tax harmonisation, but he didn't provide a specific tax rate. They might up the Republic's corporation tax rate to help fund this socialist republic of theirs.

Our man in Havana

So they are planning to turn the country into Cuba?

miju

mike65 wrote:

He was pressed strongly on tax, the SF policy is now to not raise corporation tax and to not consider anyone on 100,000 as rich, .

mmmmmmmmm , is it just me or is the SF policy coming more and more "similiar" to the FF policy

Boston

miju wrote:

mmmmmmmmm , is it just me or is the SF policy coming more and more "similiar" to the FF policy

Well down south it has always been a case of spot the difference.

trao

miju wrote:

mmmmmmmmm , is it just me or is the SF policy coming more and more "similiar" to the FF policy

Surely you are not suggesting an FF/SF coalition?! Bertie was quite clear when he said that he would not go into coalition. Although he was also equally clear that in this funny world of democracy, he could not stop SF supporting his nomination as Taoiseach and voting for FF legislation

Voipjunkie

miju wrote:

mmmmmmmmm , is it just me or is the SF policy coming more and more "similiar" to the FF policy

Adams signaled that on Primetime months ago when he was wishywashy when questioned on SF tax policy
Basically SF don't want to have any policy that would rule them out since FF said that it was SFs economic policies that were now the block they have being u-turning on them just as they u-turned on the war, decommissioning, the unionist veto, taking seats in stormont, taking seats in Leinster House,supporting the PSNI etc etc they seem to be so desperate for power that anything that may block it is quickly dispensed with.
It is hard to know exactly what SF do stand for I suppose that just like the Sticks that went before them it is only a matter of time before they end up in the Labour party.

Voipjunkie

trao wrote:

Surely you are not suggesting an FF/SF coalition?! Bertie was quite clear when he said that he would not go into coalition. Although he was also equally clear that in this funny world of democracy, he could not stop SF supporting his nomination as Taoiseach and voting for FF legislation

Bertie was also quite clear that it was the economic policies of SF that he had a problem with if SF have dumped those then the way could be cleared if the numbers stack up which they probably will not

FlutterinBantam

Listening to Adams today it was quite clear he was out of his "comfort zone" dealing with taxes and economic arguments.

I would never vote for Sinn Fein. Id be shagged if my hard earned tax Euros went to support chavs and wasters,who operated in the black economy,and who skiddaddled off on holidays every second month at my expense,while i pay thorugh the hole for everything.

No way Jose.

E92

I think them in Government would be an absolute disaster.

Wishbone Ash

irish1 wrote:

Sinn Fein are very good at local politics thats where most of their votes come from

A person can only vote for a candidate running in the constituency where their vote is based. How can the support not be "local"?

Every TD who is elected is elected because of "local" support!

Boston

Wishbone Ash wrote:

A person can only vote for a candidate running in the constituency where their vote is based. How can the support not be "local"?

Every TD who is elected is elected because of "local" support!

Is it honestly that unclear?

He's saying that local issues are often the deciding factors in elections not national ones. I think most people vote according to who will do the best for their community, rather then blindly following a certain party.

Villain

Wishbone Ash wrote:

A person can only vote for a candidate running in the constituency where their vote is based. How can the support not be "local"?

Every TD who is elected is elected because of "local" support!

You'd be surprised by how people make a party vote instead of an individual vote, also some of the constituency's are quite large.

miju

trao wrote:

Surely you are not suggesting an FF/SF coalition?! Bertie was quite clear when he said that he would not go into coalition. Although he was also equally clear that in this funny world of democracy, he could not stop SF supporting his nomination as Taoiseach and voting for FF legislation

forgive me if i'm wrong but weren't FF equally as clear that they would not engage in auction politics NOR would they be making any changes to stamp duty

thens theres aherns recent comments about the only problem FF have with SF's policy is there corporation tax being too high last week. this comment got overshoadowed by everything else in the last week though

so two big u-turns they may as well go for the hattrick

E92

Isn't it amazing what elections can do to politicans. It seems that the Shinners have learned the Feel and Fail trick of talking a lot without actually saying anything. It seems to me that Sinn Feins u-turn on these issues shows that they are no different to Feel and Fail in that they believe in nothing either, just what they will think will gain them votes. The only parties that have consistantly said the same things are FG, Lab and the Greens since the election was called. None of these parties have had policy/political u-turns since the start of the election campaign last Sunday. Sinn Fein changed their tune on taxation, the PDs on whether they should walk from government, and of course Feel and Fail on stamp duty. That from the supposedly prudent party. Now I know that FG did change its position on stamp duty slightly but the fact remains that we and Labour have been consistantly saying the same thing since the start of the election, on all the important issues.

Its clear that we need a change. Its hardly sensible that we should elect the outgoing administration to go back in given that the two parties are not exactly on the best terms at the moment.

HAZEMAN

Gerry Adams doesn't seem to have any particular tax policy. It seemed from the interview that Gerry was very unknowledgable. I admire him for all that he has achieved in N Ireland, however I don't think it would be safe to have Sinn Fein in a position to look after our finances.

Raskolnikov

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Maybe it's because he's a British citizen. :eek:

No he's not. He has an Irish passport.