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smooth call or raise TPTK on flop

  • 05-05-2007 1:46am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 658 ✭✭✭


    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: TC Poker)

    SB ($396)
    BB ($428.40)
    UTG ($548.90)
    Hero ($932.70)
    CO ($581.05)
    Button ($706.40)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Ac, Kd.
    1 fold, Hero raises to $16, CO calls $16, Button raises to $66, 2 folds, Hero calls $50, CO calls $50.

    Flop: ($204) Kh, 7h, Td (3 players)
    Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $110, Hero ???

    Button is a 18/14 that has a preflop aggression factor of 3.8, I'm positive I've got him beat on the flop but should I be check raising this 3-way with a player to act behind?
    CO is a very passive player with a VP$IP of 42, PFR of 4 and a very small preflop aggresion <.1.
    This is a very tough spot though right? If I cr to 300 or so I'm basically commiting myself to the pot but flat calling OOP just seems sort of spewy.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    I'd 4-bet preflop almost always.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Captain Tom


    this is closer to a fold than a raise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    Defo just call here. I think I prefer folding preflop to calling though. As it is, your line on each street depends on how you've been playing and how button views you. Have you been opening a lot of pots? (Increasing the likelihood of him squeezing) etc...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 658 ✭✭✭Hawk Eye


    ianmc38 wrote:
    I'd 4-bet preflop almost always.
    Really? Stacks are just under 200BB's. If I make it 170+ whats my action if I completely miss the flop. Considering your acticle you wrote on c-betting I'm gonna be missing the flop a big % of the time. Lets say the flop comes J92 wtf do I do then in a 4-bet pot out of position. Do I just check fold, theres going to be ~370 in the pot with with effective 550 behind provided cut offs folds.
    4-betting here just puts you in a horrible spot most of the time if you come up against any action.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    Hawk Eye wrote:
    Really? Stacks are just under 200BB's. If I make it 170+ whats my action if I completely miss the flop. Considering your acticle you wrote on c-betting I'm gonna be missing the flop a big % of the time. Lets say the flop comes J92 wtf do I do then in a 4-bet pot out of position. Do I just check fold, theres going to be ~370 in the pot with with effective 550 behind provided cut offs folds.
    4-betting here just puts you in a horrible spot most of the time if you come up against any action.

    He's extremely aggressive preflop so this could easily be a squeeze. You could have the best hand. He might fold TT/JJ o a 4-bet which is obviously good. I'd generally make it about 180 and fold to any further action.

    Id cbet that J92 flop sometimes. Whether or not i'd do that is really game and player dependant.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Marq


    Yeah tough enough spot.
    Anybody like leading the flop?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    Marq wrote:
    Yeah tough enough spot.
    Anybody like leading the flop?

    Id much prefer bet-fold than check call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Fold preflop unless he has been 3 betting you light in which case 4 bet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Marq


    ianmc38 wrote:
    Id much prefer bet-fold than check call.
    Yea that's sort of my thinking. Unless the villian checks behind this pot is goingto get very big very quickly, and we don't know much about his hand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭PiperT


    Marq wrote:
    Anybody like leading the flop?

    Just what I was thinking. I prefer to lead here. If I meet further resistance, I'm probably done with the hand though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    4bet pf.

    I much prefer c/c the flop than leading it.


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