But what do we have????

Ste05

OK, here's a question, what hand range do you (A) put me on and (B) put our Villain on and (C) of the Villains range what hands do you expect to call my Push.

I hadn't played with this Villain for long, but I noticed that he had some biggish stacks on a couple of tables and appeared to know what he was doing, I'd also think he recognised that I also knew what I was doing. That's all the read I had, I would have respected his game. We hadn't tangled yet apart from the odd button steal from me, he didn't seem to want to get involved OOP. I hadn't been splashing around at all on this table, I got my stack from winning a decent pot with AK (K high flop) other than that I was picking my spots well and hadn't shown down a hand, and would be viewed as a TAG.

Seat 1: Ste05 ($268.60 in chips)
Seat 3: FoRevErRich ($581.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Thinking Villain ($280.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Ahcp18 ($269.05 in chips)
Seat 8: lllgabi ($132.95 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: HansFuchs ($241.56 in chips)
HansFuchs: Post SB $1.00
Ste05: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Thinking Villain [Y, Y]
Dealt to Ste05 [X, X]
FoRevErRich: Raise $8.00
Thinking Villain: Call $8.00
Ahcp18: Call $8.00
lllgabi: Fold
HansFuchs: Fold
Ste05: Raise $29.00
FoRevErRich: Fold
Thinking Villain: Raise $86.00
Ahcp18: Fold
Ste05: Call $63.00
*** FLOP *** [Qs 6s 2c]
Ste05: Bet $174.60
Thinking Villain: Call $174.60
*** TURN *** [C9]
*** RIVER *** [C10]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $551.20 Rake $3.00

Hectorjelly

Well you should have aces or kings, you close the action calling more than a 1/5 of your stack. Unless you think he is messing around (i dont) his range is probably AA KK, small chance of AK. Your bet on the flop makes no sense whatsover with KK so I think you have aces, QQ or AKs also are possible but I think you should fold both preflop.

I think the villain is most likely to have KK, then AA, then AK. Maybe QQ. He is calling your push with all of those hands (Ak of whatever suit is on the flop).

ianmc38

Edit: Just reread he's a good TAG. You should always have AA/KK and he should always have JJ-AA or AK, maybe AQ. Id be surprise dif he had JJ/QQ though.

Shortstack

He has AA or KK and so do you. If not he is not as you described and/or you should not be in the pot.

Shortstack

Furthermore on the action as described you should not have any less than KK and should have stuck it in Preflop.

Shortstack

Actually you should have AA with a third of your stack in pre, I would imagine you ship it preflop with KK. He could have AA-JJ/AK or something stupid. The way you played it lets him know your range exactly and he only puts more chips in the pot with a hand that beats AA.

Solksjaer

two tags. at least AQ suited by him. you called preflop, id say KK min

PS im drunk....and winning hic (mini levels lol)

cardshark202

Hectorjelly wrote:

Well you should have aces or kings, you close the action calling more than a 1/5 of your stack. Unless you think he is messing around (i dont) his range is probably AA KK, small chance of AK. Your bet on the flop makes no sense whatsover with KK so I think you have aces, QQ or AKs also are possible but I think you should fold both preflop.

I think the villain is most likely to have KK, then AA, then AK. Maybe QQ. He is calling your push with all of those hands (Ak of whatever suit is on the flop).

I think you have AA, though I hate your flop bet. I think he must have AA/KK/QQ/AKspades/(slight chance of AQ) once he calls you. Preflop though I think AK is his most likely hand, I rarely see this move with AA/KK at 1/2, but often see it with AK. Sometimes I see it with AQs, which is prolly more likely than AA/KK.

White Knight

Put you on QQ, opponent on AA :rolleyes:

Hectorjelly

Come on, we guessed - results please!

Marq

you have 94o and he has pocket threes.

Captain Tom

you had KK and so did villian?

Ste05

OK, results he had AA and I lost. I didn't read him at all for AA TBH and I pushed the flop expecting him to fold, pretty bad now it seems.

Here's what went through my mind, I respected his game but thought he wouldn't smooth call in such EP with AA or KK, then when he raised my fairly obvious squeeze I put him on some kind of low to mid pair looking to re-squeeze, so I decided to call and push any flop. Kind of back fired when he called with his AA.

ianmc38

Ste05 wrote:

OK, results he had AA and I lost. I didn't read him at all for AA TBH and I pushed the flop expecting him to fold, pretty bad now it seems.

Here's what went through my mind, I respected his game but thought he wouldn't smooth call in such EP with AA or KK, then when he raised my fairly obvious squeeze I put him on some kind of low to mid pair looking to re-squeeze, so I decided to call and push any flop. Kind of back fired when he called with his AA.

*Shudder*

Tar.Aldarion

um...
You should have put him on a hand that would call that. :_)

Hectorjelly

Did you push the flop with no outs?

Ste05

Afraid so, I had 84o. I just trusted my read, I was sure he was good enough to re-squeeze with a small to mid pair, and was also fairly sure he could fold if I pushed. Unfortunately my read wasn't any where near as good as I thought it was, it was only based on about 150 hands, but after playing with him some more tonight on 2 different tables I vastly over-estimated his level. And I'll never make the move against him again. He didn't adjust to my style at all nor did he ever play back at me.

Hectorjelly

I wouldnt play back at someone who called a big reraise from me and pushed all in with 84o with no pair and no draw either!

Mellor

The smooth call and the RR screamed strenght. FPF and pick a better spot

bops

congrats on getting to my level ste

Ste05

Hectorjelly wrote:

I wouldnt play back at someone who called a big reraise from me and pushed all in with 84o with no pair and no draw either!

LOL true, although I more meant he didn't start calling me down lighter. He basically just completely stayed out of pots with me which I found odd.

Mellor wrote:

The smooth call and the RR screamed strength. FPF and pick a better spot

I didn't to me and I saw this as a lovely spot to win a nice pot because the stack sizes were about perfect. Although it certainly worked out very well for him that time.

Ste05

bops wrote:

congrats on getting to my level ste

Thanks Bops, although this kind of thing is a VERY rare occurrence for me and it's rare I find a spot like this.

Ste05

OK here's another hand from this session, who plays it any differently. This hand is about 2 or 3 orbits later, This guy made a comment after my push of "Stupid Bluff" so you can assume he was watching and he was only only playing this table, he got his stack with a nice run of cards one in particular where he won a nice pot against a guy on an A,6,10,6,10 board with 67 v AQ (where he check called the flop, check min-raised the turn and bet half pot on the River). And another few lucky hands. I didn't rate him too highly. He was 39/15.5/1.23

Seat 1: Ste05 ($205.00 in chips)
Seat 3: FoRevErRich ($606.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Thinking Villain ($559.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Ahcp18 ($261.05 in chips)
Seat 10: HansFuchs ($209.56 in chips) DEALER
Ste05: Post SB $1.00
FoRevErRich: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ste05 [Qs Js]
Thinking Villain: Fold
Ahcp18: Fold
HansFuchs: Fold
Ste05: Raise $6.00
FoRevErRich: Raise $20.00
Ste05: Call $15.00
*** FLOP *** [2c 4s 9c]
Ste05: Bet $35.00
FoRevErRich: Call $35.00
*** TURN *** [9s]
Ste05: Check
FoRevErRich: Check
*** RIVER *** [8s] Pot: $114 and I've $148 behind
Ste05???

Feel free to post "Fold PF" but I didn't and I'm not too worried about playing this hand OOP in a Blind on Blind battle against this guy.

Edited to make the suits easier to see, bloody iPoker HH's

Goodluck2me

shove? your image is bound to be a bit crzy. i like a shove becuase you shoved the last time you bluffed. meta game FTW!

phantom_lord

shove.

Ste05

Yeah I shoved obviously, and he called with KK.

ianmc38

I'd shove with your image. I must have played alot of hands with you at 1/2. Trying to work out who you are. I have an inkling but not certain...

Ste05

ianmc38 wrote:

I'd shove with your image. I must have played alot of hands with you at 1/2. Trying to work out who you are. I have an inkling but not certain...

I'll swap nicks if you want PM me

cardshark202

Wow I would not have shoved at all. This guy things you are a crazy bluffer, he's not going to fold any pair.

Ste05

cardshark202 wrote:

Wow I would not have shoved at all. This guy things you are a crazy bluffer, he's not going to fold any pair.

Is that not a good thing?? I have a flush BTW. I edited the post to make the suits easier to see