Strange .5/1 NL hand deepstacked

Vamos

Sorry about the hh format,I cant find the .xml file to convert the hand, I've edited it a bit myself.
This was a strange one, about the weirdest hand I've played this year.

Villian (64/21/2.8 over 100 hands) is a very bad player, he's got his stack by hitting a couple of gutshots.

He has open raised with some suspect hands usually raising to 4BB, if 3-bet he always calls in any position.

He has yet to 3-bet some else's opening raise and this hand was his first 4-bet (a double min-raise at that!)

Five handed and it's folded round to him in the the SB

Seat 1: Hero ($287.80 in chips)
Seat 10: Villian ($306.80 in chips)

Villian: Post SB $0.50
Hero: Post BB $1.00

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kh Kc]


Villian: Raise $1.50
Hero: Raise $12.00
Villian: Raise $22.00
Hero: Call $11.00

*** FLOP *** [Ah 3c 6d] (POT = $48)

Villian: Check
Hero: Check

*** TURN *** [7c]

Villian: Check
Hero: Check

*** RIVER *** [Ks]

Villian: Bet $101.00

Hero Folds/Calls/Pushes???

Comments on all streets welcome. What's his range?

breadmonkey

Are you joking?

David Michael

breadmonkey wrote:

Are you joking?

I agree. As newbie as I am.

coadyj

wow, maybe you should chance your handle to zero, man do you know nothing about poker. First nobody is going to reraise you with 4 5, then when he hits the OE do you really think he as an agresive player is going to check?? the only had he could have is AA which would explain the check, but i would put him on kq. I Hope you called.

DEmeant0r

easiest push ever. I'd say a weirdly played AK.

David Michael

coadyj wrote:

wow, maybe you should chance your handle to zero, man do you know nothing about poker. First nobody is going to reraise you with 4 5, then when he hits the OE do you really think he as an agresive player is going to check?? the only had he could have is AA which would explain the check, but i would put him on kq. I Hope you called.

I am sh1t but id say your man was playing an A. Probably AK. given the raise and the final raise.

Push.

I lost with AJ reraise last night but the guy had AA. Such is life. Faint heart fair maiden etc.

phantom_lord

Goodluck2me

double minraise, then slow plays Aces and then thinks you must have hit the king?or KJ...

ianmc38

id just call. who knows what his range is.

cardshark202

Push.

pok3rplaya

The part of me that is running bad wants to call but I think there is value in a push.

Has he been 3bet a lot in this session? I mean would he be getting pissed off at it?

Vamos

pok3rplaya wrote:

Has he been 3bet a lot in this session? I mean would he be getting pissed off at it?

Just a couple of times, so no I don't think he was pissed off.

DeadParrot

Push push....

either really badly played queens or AK
the amount of time he has you beat is quite low here imo, it'd be a strange way to play aces

pok3rplaya

Well I think it's hard to call without being at the table but if you think he can have AJ here then push. I'm tempted to just call though.

Ste05

I'd probably push as I think he might call with AQ and AJ if he's bad enough, he'll almost certainly call with AK, but I have such a bad feeling that this is AA after the PF donk double min-raise. Meh I'd go broke.

5starpool

Broke it is.

cooker3

I push but the fact your posting this makes me think it's near certain he has aces

earthworms

no way push.flat call it wreaks of A A to me. No way you can fold tho

Vamos

lol at first couple replies.

Given the action and that it was his first time playing back I thought it stunk of AA, maybe less times AK, I just called he showed KJo

coadyj

i was thinking KJ but i said KQ to be on the safe side. AK are you guys out of your mind. he would have potted the flop if thats what he had.

Captain Tom

coadyj wrote:

AK are you guys out of your mind. he would have potted the flop if thats what he had.

i dont see how you can rule out AK vs a player who's so irrational as to play KJ like this.

phantom_lord

coadyj wrote:

AK are you guys out of your mind. he would have potted the flop if thats what he had.

not neccessarily.

David Michael

Vamos wrote:

lol at first couple replies.

Given the action and that it was his first time playing back I thought it stunk of AA, maybe less times AK, I just called he showed KJo

The first replies were correct.

coadyj wrote:

i was thinking KJ but i said KQ to be on the safe side. AK are you guys out of your mind. he would have potted the flop if thats what he had.

You also mentioned AA

My take on poker these days is that a lot of people are reading forums like this and books.

As such I am seeing a lot of standard "tricks"

The hand as I see it was in no way some one trying to get value out of AA. AA would like to be paid. Not folded to with an A on the board.

The re raise PF was standard "new!.. I read about re raising" play... due to the check check that followed. The river stunk of "oh I have a chance".

thus push.

That is my newbie take on it. Reading is not putting people on exact hands but putting them on the hand that can do you damage or not. In this case people saying push was goot.

Vamos

David Michael wrote:

The first replies were correct.
.....

Reading is not putting people on exact hands but putting them on the hand that can do you damage or not.

I was loling because ye thought it was some sort of joke post, no offence intended!

Anyway, I know what hand ranges are, and after a couple of hundred thousand cash hands played, a double min-raise 4-bet preflop from a bad player is more than likely AA/KK and since I had KK..... but maybe you're right and he was reading some forum and opened up his 4-bet min-raising range

I'm still not sure whether a push is the right play in the long run.

Anyway thanks for all replies.

Lazare

David Michael wrote:

The first replies were correct.

The first two replies asked if he was joking, the third thought he was worried about a straight. They were far from correct, or helpfull.

Your analysis above is results based, it's pretty easy to read what he was thinking when we know what he held.

David Michael

Lazare wrote:

The first two replies asked if he was joking, the third thought he was worried about a straight. They were far from correct, or helpfull.

Your analysis above is results based, it's pretty easy to read what he was thinking when we know what he held.

I dissagree.

They were pre result based.

Ste05

Vamos wrote:

I'm still not sure whether a push is the right play in the long run.

I think it is, it's blind on blind, and the double min-raise is so bad, for so many reasons, with any hand that you can't give this guy credit for just AA. His range is always wider than just AA, and hands like AK, AQ, AJ might call (and we have solid proof that he's a donkey - PF). It's not a case that the only hands that will call have you beaten. (I think 45 is so unlikely I'm ignoring it). If he had AA it's just unlucky.

Vamos

Ste05 wrote:

I think it is..

Ya, the more I think about it, pushing probably has more value against this type of player, I just underestimated how bad this guy really was.

Shortstack

Vamos wrote:

Ya, the more I think about it, pushing probably has more value against this type of player, I just underestimated how bad this guy really was.

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Marq

This guy is clearly so awful that you have little choice but to push and accept that you will go broke like 1% of the time. what a donkey.

Goodluck2me

goodluck2me wrote:

double minraise, then slow plays Aces and then thinks you must have hit the king?or KJ...

Me FTW!!

AS_PokerKing

man u craaaaaaaazy

Chucky the tree

Just wondering why people put him on A's? Surely if you hit trip aces you want to get paid at all times. So surely the villian would bet flop and turn, even for a small amount just to keep building the pot.

I know villian isnt excactly world calss, but still.

Ste05

For a player that double min-raises you can't assume anything. It's very likely he thinks the best way to get paid is to slow play his hand.

bubbleking

is it fair to say that whatever the villain had he played it terribly??

push and then if he turns over AA shake your head and say i knew it.