Advice needed for running cash table please

Coillte_Bhoy

Hi All,
Im looking for some advice on running a cash game. We have ran pub poker tournaments for the past year or two and our regular players want a bit of cash action so we're going to give it a go tonight. We've never done this before so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
A few questions:
1. It will be €1-€2 NL so what would ye suggest for min and max buy ins??
2. What is the procedure for showing hands at a showdown incl when two or more are all in?
3. If a player leaves the table and returns later on does he have to start with the stack he left the table with?
4. If a new player joins the table does he have to post a big blind before he plays or can he choose to wait for his turn on the BB?
5. Most inportantly, can ye suggest a reasonable rake scale?

Any help would be much appreciated and if anyone has any other info that would help and not covered by above please share.
Thanks
Mike

semibluff

hey

Coillte_Bhoy wrote:

Hi All,
Im looking for some advice on running a cash game. We have ran pub poker tournaments for the past year or two and our regular players want a bit of cash action so we're going to give it a go tonight. We've never done this before so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
A few questions:
1. It will be €1-€2 NL so what would ye suggest for min and max buy ins??
Min buy in of 50 euro with one short (under) buy back if neccessary. No max buy in, or if you must, then equal to the largest stack on the table

2. What is the procedure for showing hands at a showdown incl when two or more are all in?
If a player made the bet, then they are being called and must show first. if checked river it goes from the dealer, but norm someone just shouts out what hand they hold and others wait to see and muck in turn
3. If a player leaves the table and returns later on does he have to start with the stack he left the table with?
Normally if they leave and return within a time period they must sit back in with the same amount the left with, the time period can vary from 1/3 hours to as much as 24hrs - just make it known which you decide before the start

4. If a new player joins the table does he have to post a big blind before he plays or can he choose to wait for his turn on the BB?
He can get dealt in str8 away, if in the small blind he has an option of buying the button, this means that he pays both big and small blind and the button is on him in the next hand.
Otherwise they are dealt in immediately (If a player purposely gets up andd leaves when its his Blinds they he can be asked to post both when he returns - to your discretion though)

5. Most inportantly, can ye suggest a reasonable rake scale?
Casino's rake 8€ pp per hour if i rem correctly. so for a pub game with 8 at a table you could take 40€ p/h (presuming you have a dealer, if not a smaller initial cover should be charged)

Anything else just ask
Any help would be much appreciated and if anyone has any other info that would help and not covered by above please share.
Thanks
Mike

mdwexford

rake

0 - 20 = 0
20 - 30 = 1
30 - 50 = 2
50 - 70 = 3
70 - 100 = 4
over 100 = 5 (max)

Coillte_Bhoy

with one short (under) buy back if neccessary.

Eh...what exactly does this mean???
Thanks for the replies btw

phantom_lord

most casinos have a min buyin of 50, but allow u to rebuy for 20 if u get stacked. bit silly i think.

Coillte_Bhoy

rake

0 - 20 = 0
20 - 30 = 1
30 - 50 = 2
50 - 70 = 3
70 - 100 = 4
over 100 = 5 (max)

Just searching through old threads and found this scale:
€1-€10 €0
€11-€20 €1
€21-€50 €2
€51-€100 €3
€101-€150 €5
€151-€249 €7
€250+ €10

5starpool

I think rake should be consistent on an hourly basis, so if every pot is a big one (unlikely as it would lead to a short game probably) then you vary how much you take out in order to only take a certain amount per hour. If you charge €10 per player, per hour, then at a table of 8 you would be collecting €40 every half hour. This is not unreasonable I think, but it really depends on the amount of money at the table. If everyone is likely to be playing short stacks and a tight game then this will be very noticeable after a while.

If you have a fast, competent, dealer this can be done at an average rate of only about 3 quid per pot so not too bad really. The dealers should be aware not to collect all the rake for a half hour period in 10 mins and so on, same for underraking. It can probably take a bit of practice and experience to be comfortable doing this from a dealers point of view.

If this is a self dealt cash game then I would imagine €5 per player, per hour, is fair, collectable from each player at a certain time.

Whatever way you decide to do these things, make sure that all the main points are outlined somewhere and that you are consistent and upfront with them. Also, it's good to see that you are asking for advice and not just taking what you want.

Coillte_Bhoy

If you charge €10 per player, per hour, then at a table of 8 you would be collecting €40 every half hour.

We wont be charging per hour but will be raking each pot.

The dealers should be aware not to collect all the rake for a half hour period in 10 mins and so on, same for underraking.

I dont understand what you mean by this?? Why not collect a rake for a half hour period and what is underraking?


There will be a dealer and no hands will be played without one. Not quite casino level but he's getting there.

Coillte_Bhoy

Ok couple more Q's.

1. I was playing a cash table at the weekend and whenever there was two players all in their cards were not necessarily turned face up as they would be in a tournament. Is there any other other little things like that are different from a tournament event. I presume a player still has to show down his 2 hole cards to claim a pot and if he only shows one another player has the right to ask him to show the other one???

5starpool

Coillte_Bhoy wrote:

We wont be charging per hour but will be raking each pot.



I dont understand what you mean by this?? Why not collect a rake for a half hour period and what is underraking?


There will be a dealer and no hands will be played without one. Not quite casino level but he's getting there.

If you are raking per pot, and net per player then my points are all irrelevant. Make sure to review the amount you take though as players might get annoyed if they think too much is being taken.

As for the differences, then a player doesn't show down until after the river unless they want to (assuming they got it all in on an earlier street). That is the main one, but if you want to have it the same as tournies to save arguments, then if that is what they are used to, they will not object I would imagine.

The same rules apply regarding showing bot to claim a showdown pot, showing other players etc.

Marq

Vegas rake is 10% up to 4 dollars each pot.
that would work well for a pub game although it is quite high for the smaller pots.

Ste05

I would love to play cash games in a Pub after a tournament, (think of the value!! :rolleyes:) although is this not on the darker side of a grey area Legally speaking. Might be something to consider.

Coillte_Bhoy

I would love to play cash games in a Pub after a tournament, (think of the value!! ) although is this not on the darker side of a grey area Legally speaking. Might be something to consider.

Yes, it's a bit dodgy but afaik most big tourneys in hotels etc. always have cash tables running later on so i dont see any difference. Our business is also on a sound legal footing, registered for tax etc. though i agree this wouldnt really help us in a legal difficulty with cash games.

semibluff

howd it go?

Coillte_Bhoy

howd it go?

Not too bad really. One major problem was players only showing one card to claim a pot, as this is what they are used to on the CPT tables. I was sure you had to show your two cards face up if you were claiming a pot?????

Players were happy enough i think but i fu**ed up somewhere when cashing players in at the end cos i only ened up with about 20% of the rake cash i should have had (according to the raked chips). Ah well my own fault i suppose. Live and learn and all that:rolleyes:

This was the rake scale we used and i wasnt sure about taking the rake from pot where a big bet went into.
e.g. pot is €25. Player bets €30 and folded around. Do i take a rake of €2 or €3??? I went for the lower rake in these cases. Thoughts???
€1-€10 €0
€11-€20 €1
€21-€50 €2
€51-€100 €3
€101-€150 €5
€151-€249 €7
€250+ €10

Marq

yeah the lower reake. uncalled bets aren't part of the pot.