REAL Conspiracies

Hivemind187

Ok, yeah, I'm a bit of a conspiracy nut.

Icke Can have his Space Lizards from beyond the Moon. The truth is stranger than fiction.

A quick google of the following will turn up some disturbing results;

Operation Northwoods (a mandate for the use of false flag actions in order to provide the pretext for political carte blanch - if this is what they are telling us, what are they keeping quiet?)

MK ULTRA (the CIA's genuine mind control experiment which alledgedly ended in the early-mid seventies)

Nick Berg (guy got his head chopped off, but who was he really?)

Sexing up the UK WMD dossier and the "suicide" of Dr David Kelly (pretext for war, 'nuff said)

Bohemian Grove (The genuinely creepy Rich-boys club who meet yearly and have groomed several US, UK and European leaders)

Carlyle and Haliburton (awarded uncontested contracts seemingly willy nilly since the election of GW to power)

Bill Clintons involvement in seriously dodgy stuff including Mena drugs trafficking, the Waco siege and a peculiarly large number of dead staff members.

FEMA - not just incompetent politicans but mandated to establish concentration camps, arbitrarily arrest anyone they see fit and the entitlement to suspend posse comitatus.

And these are only some of the genuinely weird and distinctly real conspiracies out there.

That said, I really hope Icke is just a crank.

SkepticOne

I think some of those, like Nick Berg, although they have question marks attached to them, can't be called incontrovertible conspiracies.

Examples of incontrovertible exposed conspiracies would be, for example, the Iran-Contra-hostages affair and Watergate.

The Bohemian Grove can't in itself be considered a conspiracy though might be the setting for conspiracies though I don't think any has been established.

The Haliburton and Carlisle group issue would be more accurately described as political patronage, something that has been going on, unfortunately, for centuries.

I agree about Icke's lizards.

Hivemind187

SkepticOne wrote:

I think some of those, like Nick Berg, although they have question marks attached to them, can't be called incontrovertible conspiracies.

Examples of incontrovertible exposed conspiracies would be, for example, the Iran-Contra-hostages affair and Watergate.

The Bohemian Grove can't in itself be considered a conspiracy though might be the setting for conspiracies though I don't think any has been established.

The Haliburton and Carlisle group issue would be more accurately described as political patronage, something that has been going on, unfortunately, for centuries.

I agree about Icke's lizards.

Ok, perhaps not incontrovertible conspiracies. Agreed. Except in the case of the Carlyle group and Haliburton , the "conspiracy" there is that it was pre-planned to involve Haliburton and the Carlyle group to the direct detriment of the general public and the clear profit of an elite few. Though I wouldnt be surprised if there is a lot more to it than this.

humanji

Well, not to make excuses for them, but you have to realise that companies like Haliburton are huge. They were involved in the Port Tunnel, for example, and they have thousands of branches that have nothing to do with each other apart from their name (and a few $$$'s for their bosses).

I kind of hope Ickes lizards are real, actually. I feel sorry for him.

Hivemind187

humanji wrote:

Well, not to make excuses for them, but you have to realise that companies like Haliburton are huge. They were involved in the Port Tunnel, for example, and they have thousands of branches that have nothing to do with each other apart from their name (and a few $$$'s for their bosses).

I kind of hope Ickes lizards are real, actually. I feel sorry for him.

To be fair, its not he majority of the Haliburton employees that are the problem, nor I suppose are all of their project involvments dodgy dealing. Rather the executives and their vested interests are the problem.

Any groups that is collectively working towards undermining freedom in any form in a secretive manner is in volved in a conspiracy.

Haliburton are involved in undermining the tansparency of government awarded contracts and the stiffling of natural economics for the purposes of making money. They might not have the best products, do the best work or even the cheapest - what the do have is political and personal favour with governments friendly (in the pocket of) to the US administration.

This kind of things is anti-freedom because it negates the opporunity for other companies etc to tender for the job, and it also sadly excluded the input of the Iraqi people and the citizens of New Orleans from the decision making process.

Probably the worst part about the relationship between Hlaiburton and the white house is the blurring of the lines between them. Haliburton wants to make more money so the white house can pressure agencies responsible for health and safety to relax their standards a little - bad for you and me, good for Haliburton.

I think that constitutes a conspiracy enough, even without the Lizards.

humanji

But I wouldn't really classify that as a conspiracy, more like standard capitalism. Every company wants more money, Haliburton just happens to have friends in high places to help them along. To be honest, I'd probably do the same if I were in their position.

But if lizards were involved, then that would be a different matter

bonkey

humanji wrote:

But I wouldn't really classify that as a conspiracy, more like standard capitalism.

That reminds me of a comment I read in teh past couple of days on slashdot.

Someone compared it to a Turing Test, saying that you have two people who you cannot see.

One is a moustache-twirling super-villain out to make as much mischief as possible in the name of some evil goal.
The other is the CEO of a large corporation, out to make as much money as possible.

Can you determine, by their actions alone, which is which?

Although tongue in cheek, we must rememeber that "make money" is what corporations do, and very often the methodologies followed are pretty indistinguishable from "do evil". The main difference being that "make money" is an end in and of itself, whereas "do evil" generally isn't...its a path to something.

Robert Hanlon (I believe) said Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

The corrolary may well be that we should also Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by greed

Capt'n Midnight

echelon

what's the name of that hotel where the world leaders agree the real stuff

Hivemind187

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

echelon

what's the name of that hotel where the world leaders agree the real stuff

The Bilderberg?

Hivemind187

humanji wrote:

But I wouldn't really classify that as a conspiracy, more like standard capitalism. Every company wants more money, Haliburton just happens to have friends in high places to help them along. To be honest, I'd probably do the same if I were in their position.

But if lizards were involved, then that would be a different matter

My point is that it qualifies as a conspiracy because of the definition of the word. It might not be a "grand conspiracy" on the scale of the JFK assassination, the MKULTRA project, etc But it is still a small group of people working with a hidden agenda to manipulate the system unfairly to the detriment of others.

I'm starting to worrying about the Lizards the more I think about Haliburton, reptilian ethics and all.;)

Capt'n Midnight

Hivemind187 wrote:

The Bilderberg?

Thanks,

for some reason I seem unable to remember it . Must be all the signals sent down the mains cables or maybe from the mobile phone masts. :rolleyes:

Hivemind187

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Thanks,

for some reason I seem unable to remember it . Must be all the signals sent down the mains cables or maybe from the mobile phone masts. :rolleyes:

Actually Bilderberg is a really creepy one for me. Kind of like the AGM of the real world leaders before the weekend party at Bo Grove.

aphex™

Hivemind187 wrote:

Actually Bilderberg is a really creepy one for me. Kind of like the AGM of the real world leaders before the weekend party at Bo Grove.

What is the difference between that and say the Davos meetings? Davos isn't a secret, but pretty much the same thing.

humanji

Hivemind187 wrote:

My point is that it qualifies as a conspiracy because of the definition of the word. It might not be a "grand conspiracy" on the scale of the JFK assassination, the MKULTRA project, etc But it is still a small group of people working with a hidden agenda to manipulate the system unfairly to the detriment of others.

But that's what every company does. There's no hidden agenda, it's just like minded people getting together for a common cause. If it had nothing to do with money, then the hippies would love it It's no different to say a gold club or GAA club where some members get friendly and help each other out from time to time. It's just on a different scale.

Hivemind187 wrote:

I'm starting to worrying about the Lizards the more I think about Haliburton, reptilian ethics and all.;)

Hmmm, I would have put them down as pod people, but you can never be too sure.

trentf

You should look up and watch a video on a man called phil schnieder a man who spilt the beans on whats really going on. He worked for the us goverment in the 1970s as a geologist blasting underground sites. Whilst he was blasting one of these underground sites the equipment they were using kept coming up broken. So he went down to investigate and stumbled apon an underground base full of grey aliens a firefight ensued in which he killed 2 grey aliens. 66 delta special forces were sent down and were all killed by the aliens. He started splilling the beans on what is really going on, the alien goverment connection and how these are interdimensional beings not aliens as we know them and how the goverment is covering it all up keeping the masses in ignorance through mundane everday activites and manufactured wars and threats. He had many lectures in the 1990's in the usa and was later found dead. Many attempts were made on his life to silence him and he always told his wife if she was ever told he commited suicide then it would be murder. He was found dead from a hose wrapped around his neck in 1995.

You can watch his video online on youtube here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b5Ea3dgK3c

also while your at it watch videos of 2 more men alex collier and a man called william cooper also killed under mysterious circumstances recently. Both have explained clearly whats going on in terms of the malevolent forces at work in the world and how they are manipulating every aspect of human existance.

Jocksereire

CIA drug running and operation gladio

Ashla

Hivemind187 wrote:

The Bilderberg?

Actually they do not have a pacific Hotel they meet at , every one is different each year; But it is plush and delectable and they discuss you and me and every aspect of the planet; The way in which they are going to control you is unimaginable; They are 100 times ahead of us in life. Imagine playing chess with them............