i.t jobs in australia/new zealand

Timmy_d

is it true that i.t jobs are plentiful over in these countrys,heard australia are supposedly crying out fot i.t graduates,has anyone headed over to work there in this area,sounds promising though:D

rick_fantastic

yeah i have a few mates over there working in nice easy computing jobs over there. making good money doing 1/2nd level support on three month contracts.
since you will be working on an abn (australian business number) you can avoid paying tax if you want as your self employed and should pay it yourself!

im heading over there in october 2008 when i have my thesis handed in to do a couple of years contracting (ie 3months on / 3months off)

ill be looking for consultancy work seems to be quite a lot of it going on some of the australian job sites.

jank

Just about to ask this question myself.

Can one make a good living out there doing IT?
Ill have 3 years work exp before I go so, planning to save but also want to enjoy the renowned quality of life they have in OZ

Raskolnikov

Timmy_d wrote:

is it true that i.t jobs are plentiful over in these countrys,heard australia are supposedly crying out fot i.t graduates,has anyone headed over to work there in this area,sounds promising though:D

They're crying out for graduates here too.

Melski

The place to be in Australia at the moment is in Western Australia (capital Perth). We have a mining boom in Australia at the moment and there are jobs a plenty in WA. As for IT, you really can't go past the 3 big eastern capitals - Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. The Sydney Morning Herald (www.smh.com.au) on a saturday has the biggest jobs section of the Sydney papers and The Age (www.theage.com.au) has the same for Melbourne.

jank

So that means there is good work and rates to be had?

Melski

jank wrote:

So that means there is good work and rates to be had?

Yep. Especially in WA, but in most of the major cities. Also, as Australian, particularly NSW schools are using a lot of IT now, the bigger schools have dedicated IT professionals (not teachers) running the school networks.

DublinDilbert

Melski wrote:

Yep. Especially in WA, but in most of the major cities. Also, as Australian, particularly NSW schools are using a lot of IT now, the bigger schools have dedicated IT professionals (not teachers) running the school networks.

Agree 100% with this... my brother has been working out in NSW for the last 7 years in IT... about 5 of these years he spent at a secondary school... they had an IT department & budget probably better than most Institutes of Technology in Ireland. I think they had 4 / 5 people in their IT department.

It does seem like there's quite a few IT jobs out there, he went out on a 1 year visa and always got sponsored by his employers from year to year... The cost of living is much cheaper than here and the wages are comparable....

Bulmers

i heard the wages would lower than here for comparable jobs?

From what I heard is that you'd never make the big money there but good level of living, weather etc?

pwd

The wages are lower I believe, but higher i comparison to the cost of living

Timmy_d

would alot of the jobs be tech support?

Jumpy

Most are UNIX in the support area. I am looking at going back soon, so I have been keeping an eye out.

Timmy_d

Jumpy wrote:

Most are UNIX in the support area. I am looking at going back soon, so I have been keeping an eye out.

Must have been a good experience over there,would it worth a graduates while going over with 0 years experience? ,got to be realistic found it hard to get 3 mths in tech support here during the summer mths...did you get sponsorship and all that

aidan12124

Anyone have any experience of trying to get Web Development Work in Oz.. Will be in australia for a year from September and will be looking for that type of work

Jumpy

Timmy_d wrote:

Must have been a good experience over there,would it worth a graduates while going over with 0 years experience? ,got to be realistic found it hard to get 3 mths in tech support here during the summer mths...did you get sponsorship and all that

Im Australian. It was easy

0 years as a blow in would be next to impossible, you would be lucky to get an IT position. You dont have to work in IT though to enjoy the place.

Timmy_d

Jumpy wrote:

Im Australian. It was easy

0 years as a blow in would be next to impossible, you would be lucky to get an IT position. You dont have to work in IT though to enjoy the place.

I would have have my degree in computer networks and ccna,would that make any difference? tough getting d oul work exp...

Jumpy

Timmy_d wrote:

I would have have my degree in computer networks and ccna,would that make any difference? tough getting d oul work exp...

Yup, you have to do the dirty work in support to go places. Its a 'prove yourself' sector of the industry.

Timmy_d

Jumpy wrote:

Yup, you have to do the dirty work in support to go places. Its a 'prove yourself' sector of the industry.

Not so bad i guess,we all have to start somewhere...ok so say i go over there would i get sponsorship in the tech support area? what would the money be like starting off? ,i figure i may as well start over there than ireland for obvious reasons would love to see the country too...

Jumpy

Timmy_d wrote:

Not so bad i guess,we all have to start somewhere...ok so say i go over there would i get sponsorship in the tech support area? what would the money be like starting off? ,i figure i may as well start over there than ireland for obvious reasons would love to see the country too...

Unless you have more than a year visa, it would not be recommended to try to start over there. Contracts would be looking for experience and permanents would be looking for lastability. If you go on a working holiday you may have difficulty.
Sponsorship would only come unless you become a requirement to the company that they cant refill, either that or you become friendly with the IT director, in which case you would need to be in a small company.
The working environment is very american style in the larger companies.

Timmy_d

Jumpy wrote:

Unless you have more than a year visa, it would not be recommended to try to start over there. Contracts would be looking for experience and permanents would be looking for lastability. If you go on a working holiday you may have difficulty.
Sponsorship would only come unless you become a requirement to the company that they cant refill, either that or you become friendly with the IT director, in which case you would need to be in a small company.
The working environment is very american style in the larger companies.

Augh man that sucks,would love to head over when i graduate..

Jumpy

Timmy_d wrote:

Augh man that sucks,would love to head over when i graduate..

Man, you would be stuck in a main city, you dont want to see Australia that way.
Sydney can be a hole. Try to find work picking fruit in queensland or something, go for the experience not the work.

Timmy_d

Jumpy wrote:

Man, you would be stuck in a main city, you dont want to see Australia that way.
Sydney can be a hole. Try to find work picking fruit in queensland or something, go for the experience not the work.

Prioritys you see,i would like to kill two birds with one stone hence the i.t work over there,one year picking fruit after i graduate does not really appeal to me,really wana just get i.t experience...im 27 too.

empirix

Jumpy wrote:

Man, you would be stuck in a main city, you dont want to see Australia that way.
Sydney can be a hole. Try to find work picking fruit in queensland or something, go for the experience not the work.

worst advice ever - fruit picking is slave labour and then theres the heat too, avoid at all costs, worked as a test lead in sydney for a year had a ball as well as getting paid $60 per hour with as much overtime as i wanted. Had a nice apartment, ate out regularly, dressed well, hit all the bars, drank their beer, ****** their women and at the end of it i had enough saved to travel around OZ for 4 months seeing the sites, sniggering at my new backpacker friends who were out busting their balls for $10 an hour. Fruit picking my arse!

Jumpy

Timmy_d wrote:

Prioritys you see,i would like to kill two birds with one stone hence the i.t work over there,one year picking fruit after i graduate does not really appeal to me,really wana just get i.t experience...im 27 too.

Ah. I thought you were a lot younger, no fruit picking would be a younger crowd.
You can always try man, I have no contacts anymore because I have been here almost 8 years now.
Check with the High Consulate in Dublin, see if there are any IT visas going.

Jumpy

empirix wrote:

worst advice ever - fruit picking is slave labour and then theres the heat too, avoid at all costs, worked as a test lead in sydney for a year had a ball as well as getting paid $60 per hour with as much overtime as i wanted. Had a nice apartment, ate out regularly, dressed well, hit all the bars, drank their beer, ****** their women and at the end of it i had enough saved to travel around OZ for 4 months seeing the sites, sniggering at my new backpacker friends who were out busting their balls for $10 an hour. Fruit picking my arse!

Thats if you want to city life man, there is a lot of studenty types coming from loads of countries working in Queensland, you get paid crap but its not the money. Like working on a kibbutz (I cant spell it)

Timmy_d

Cool,thanks jumpy

Timmy_d

Jumpy wrote:

Check with the High Consulate in Dublin, see if there are any IT visas going.

How will i do this? do they have a website or do i need a phone number..

jackbhoy

Jumpy wrote:

The working environment is very american style in the larger companies.

I will probably be heading over next year to look for some contract work but thoughts of working in these types of places doesn't really appeal to me. Looking at job ads in Oz/NZ they seem to be very bullsh!tty (if thats a real word!!) and American Office (as in the TV series) sounding.

Does anyone know agencies over there specialising in recruiting ST contractors from abroad? I work in niche area and probably make life easier if i go through specialist recruiters....

Jumpy

jackbhoy wrote:

I will probably be heading over next year to look for some contract work but thoughts of working in these types of places doesn't really appeal to me. Looking at job ads in Oz/NZ they seem to be very bullsh!tty (if thats a real word!!) and American Office (as in the TV series) sounding.

Does anyone know agencies over there specialising in recruiting ST contractors from abroad? I work in niche area and probably make life easier if i go through specialist recruiters....

Any agency should do. As long as you have the visa just contact them and say, hey, I am a niche specialist and they should be able to help you out. Unless you mean ones that will organise a visa for you.

Jumpy

Timmy_d wrote:

How will i do this? do they have a website or do i need a phone number..

http://www.ireland.embassy.gov.au/

I dont know if they have any, its just worth a look.

Ginger

@aidan12124

I did web development contract work down there, I was getting 40K+ AUD per year in 2004/2005. It was in 3 month contract blocks with the same company just been paid by different companies if you get me. Was offered a 4yr contract doubling my salary plus bonus and bens..

On 40K you live quite well, same as here. Was living in Sydney in the city at the top of Elizabeth street which suited me nicely.

There is plenty of IT dev work there especially in the .NET arena, I was working in Witango at the time and came down to work with one of the consulting companies.

TowerMan

Hi,

I came backpacking to Oz last October, I had about two years exp before I came. I got an I.T job in about a week of looking doing Java, Oracle and Weblogic dev stuff, I was on a 3 month contract (not ABN) I went through an agency which is common enough here. After my 3 months was up I was offered the 457 visa which I accepted. The money is good as you will be able to save to go travelling and also enjoy your weekends. If you can, take a shot at getting an IT job in Oz as if you get a contract then the work is steady and money is normally good, as I have friends that work in construction in Oz and many dont know if they have work until that morning.

Not sure what it would be like for a grad but check out the normal Oz jobsites jobserve, seek and mycareer. Best of luck

As for fruit picking...different horses for different courses!!!

Melski

www.seek.com.au is a good site for recruitment - and you can search by industry.

Saying that Sydney is a hole is a bit harsh!;) We love tourists! And, you haven't really seen Australia until you've seen Sydney - you wouldn't want to leave without climbing the Harbour Bridge!

Timmy_d

Im prob better off to do a grad program and get some experience first before i decide anything so...

aidan12124

Ginger wrote:

@aidan12124

I did web development contract work down there, I was getting 40K+ AUD per year in 2004/2005. It was in 3 month contract blocks with the same company just been paid by different companies if you get me. Was offered a 4yr contract doubling my salary plus bonus and bens..

On 40K you live quite well, same as here. Was living in Sydney in the city at the top of Elizabeth street which suited me nicely.

There is plenty of IT dev work there especially in the .NET arena, I was working in Witango at the time and came down to work with one of the consulting companies.

thanks a lot man,
unfortunatly i have no .net experience.. loads of xhtml, CSS, Content management systems, a bit of ecommerce, loads of accessibility experience.. might find it tough. Have you any links to any agencys that specialise in this area?

Ginger

I went down through a work contact, so I dont really. I had 4 years experience before I went down to Oz so I didnt find it too bad..Straight out of college, I dont know what the situation is

Jumpy

Oh god, I pity those that have to get information for visas.
They really dont make it easy, I tried to contact the High Comission today in the UK just out of curiosity, if you dont go through the website, you have to call a £1 per minute info line.

aidan12124

Ginger wrote:

I went down through a work contact, so I dont really. I had 4 years experience before I went down to Oz so I didnt find it too bad..Straight out of college, I dont know what the situation is

Have 4 years art college experience with a degree, 1 year web development course and 1 year working experience. Could probably do with a bit more working experience but sure what can you do