QQ tough spot live Tournament

SpermManJelly

This is from 100 euro freezeout.

Hero's stack 18500
Villain stack 4500

9 handed.Blinds 50 - 100

Villain is a bad player.Few days earlier I got it all in pre flop in a cash game my JJ vs his J 10 where he called off most of his stack.

Villain makes it 200 UG(min raise)

4 callers

Hero in BB with QQ
Hero makes it 1200

Villain calls with pretty much no deliberation
Rest Fold


Flop K 2 3 rainbow Pot is around 3400 and Villain has around 3300

I'd also like to state having played with this guy for a bit I think his range as sick as it sounds is

K 10,K J,K Q suited
A K,
AA,KK,QQ,JJ,1010,99


(On another note Sperm Man Jelly can no longer type his name at the end of posts due to a Famous,Furious,Flippant,Flipping person giving out about it several times)

Goodluck2me

SpermManJelly wrote:

(On another note Sperm Man Jelly can no longer type his name at the end of posts due to a Famous,Furious,Flippant,Flipping person giving out about it several times)

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LuckyLloyd

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SpermManJelly

goodluck2me wrote:

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SpermManJelly

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

So he's Rocky Rock (the Big Rock Dog) from Rocksville?

That is quite a tight range for the player you described.

Very simple:

- If he is liable to bet or shove the entirity of his range then check to him and call him for his stack if neccesary.

- If betting isn't really his thing then just set him all in

If his range is massive and he is a spewy calling station - then you never fold given the fact that the pot is now laying you a very good price.

And feel good about it irrespective of results.

Its a tight range but I beleve its the right range:)

Captain Tom

as i said at the time,the guy was really bad and i think his range is much different and includes 77,88 and maybe even Axs type hands.

id also rule out AA/KK/AK and maybe even JJ after he instacalled the minraise.i think he's pushing with these or at the very least giving some deliberation to doing so.

id raise more p/f too.probably to around 1500/1600.

getting 2-1 id call the push vs said villian.

SpermManJelly

Captain Tom wrote:

you forgot to mention that he was acting first and shoved flop.

as i said at the time,the guy was really bad and i think his range is much different and includes 77,88 and maybe even Axs type hands.

id also rule out AA/KK/AK and maybe even JJ after he instacalled the minraise.i think he's pushing with these or at the very least giving some deliberation to doing so.

id raise more p/f too.probably to around 1500/1600.

getting 2-1 id call the push vs said villian.

Ban

ozpoker

I assume villain jammed the flop.

Well, if his range is exactly as you think, you are a 3:2* dog to have the best hand, but if the chips go in, you will be getting 2:1 to call. So a pretty easy call, and it gets easier the wider his hand range gets.

-Oz-

* according to PokerStove and assuming AKs is in the range also

SpermManJelly

To continue on

I checked the flop and he pushed.
I thought and thought

Then DonkMan(Villain)starts saying 'Your going to call anyway' and morebull.Now Im no fan of this guy hollywooding me into a pot I'll dawned if he does.

valor

how do you go from

"Few days earlier I got it all in pre flop in a cash game my JJ vs his J 10 where he called off most of his stack"

to the right range you assigned him?


on this flop I like c/c allin and if it checks through just push the turn if its not an ace

SpermManJelly

valor wrote:

how do you go from

"Few days earlier I got it all in pre flop in a cash game my JJ vs his J 10 where he called off most of his stack"

to the right range you assigned him?


on this flop I like c/c allin and if it checks through just push the turn if its not an ace

The example I gave was prolly a bit extreme and also your standard player in the macau casino does play much tighter in the tournaments than they do in the cash games.

You've also got to respect the fact that i've literally played live with the player so I feel I have the right to put him on that range based on my information gathered.

DeadParrot

This is all over the place....
This isnt really a hard decision. Call. For all the reasons outlined above
Your description of the player calling allins with J10 was rather pointless if you feel it doest apply now and he has adjusted his range for tournaments.

SpermManJelly

DeadParrot wrote:

This is all over the place....
This isnt really a hard decision. Call. For all the reasons outlined above
Your description of the player calling allins with J10 was rather pointless if you feel it doest apply now and he has adjusted his range for tournaments.

So you disagree that someone can adjust their range for tournaments?I said already that the example(jj j10) may have been slightly extreme yet I am all over place its insta call and after that I bow to your wisdom.Do you do coaching,sign me up.

bops

stop going on like a little sissy and call ffs

SpermManJelly

bops wrote:

stop going on like a little sissy and call ffs

I can't respect anyone who uses the word sissy,but you are pretty cool using the old acronym at the end,dangerous man.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

time to test that banstick out ste!

SpermManJelly

I folded,he said he had KK.

From the posts of Valor and Captain Tom,unluckylord,ozpoker... I feel I shoudl have check called/pushed flop.Having talked to eoin about the hand pre flop I should have raised more we discussed even pushing(pre flop) based on the standard of player I was against.Ty for the responses

Talking to another friend based on pokerstove calculations a push was giving me between 50-55% equity.

Also In my opinion Bop's post is the biggest load of ****e ive ever seen.

SpermManJelly

phantom_lord wrote:

time to test that banstick out ste!

I thought you were going to give some feedback?You know repeat whats already been said to make youself seem like you know what your talking about.

Mr.Plough

SpermManJelly wrote:

I thought you were going to give some feedback?You know repeat whats already been said to make youself seem like you know what your talking about.

arn't you a treat. in before lock

phantom_lord

SpermManJelly wrote:

I thought you were going to give some feedback?You know repeat whats already been said to make youself seem like you know what your talking about.

did u forget to take your valium this morning?

SpermManJelly

phantom_lord wrote:

did u forget to take your valium this morning?

That shot is as original as your feedback.

phantom_lord

lol.

Ste05

OK fellas, hand bags away.

I'll leave the thread open for now but it's on a very tight leash. Attack the post not the poster.

Hitman Actual

SpermManJelly wrote:

I folded,he said he had KK.

From the posts of Valor and Captain Tom,unluckylord,ozpoker... I feel I shoudl have check called/pushed flop.Having talked to eoin about the hand pre flop I should have raised more we discussed even pushing(pre flop) based on the standard of player I was against.Ty for the responses

Talking to another friend based on pokerstove calculations a push was giving me between 50-55% equity.

But you're getting 2/1, aren't you?

Also, on the range given, someone who calls with KT, KQ, KJ, also calls with AT, AQ, AJ.

I don't like your fold the way the hand played out, and the price you're getting. For me, it depends on how often he pushes that flop with a missed hand when checked to. If you put a high weighting to that factor, then it's a call getting 2/1.

The_Prof

seriously, just push the flop. its inexplicable how this thread could have gotten so many replies when the actual hand is so standard and boring :-)

SpermManJelly

The_Prof wrote:

that name again is Mr.Plough!

Oh no you didn't!

bops

SpermManJelly wrote:

This is from 100 euro freezeout.

Hero's stack 18500
Villain stack 4500

9 handed.Blinds 50 - 100

Villain is a bad player.Few days earlier I got it all in pre flop in a cash game my JJ vs his J 10 where he called off most of his stack.

Villain makes it 200 UG(min raise)

4 callers

Hero in BB with QQ
Hero makes it 1200

Villain calls with pretty much no deliberation
Rest Fold


Flop K 2 3 rainbow Pot is around 3400 and Villain has around 3300

I'd also like to state having played with this guy for a bit I think his range as sick as it sounds is

K 10,K J,K Q suited
A K,
AA,KK,QQ,JJ,1010,99


(On another note Sperm Man Jelly can no longer type his name at the end of posts due to a Famous,Furious,Flippant,Flipping person giving out about it several times)

Firstly, as pointed out to you, your description of said villain and the range that you give him don't comply...

Secondly, the range you gave him is very unusual to say the least: just let's say you are at least missing AQ, AJ, and AT - fair enough? I won't bother with the likes of 88 and 77 since KJs crush them.

Anyway flop K rag rag

So with your range plus the other 3 i added in you are ahead/behind half the time.

OK:
you're getting 2/1
based on your description of his range, you are even money
he is a short stack and you have pleanty of chips back
you checked the flop and he pushed - God he must have a strong hand - probably KK, Strong = Strong, maybe he was afraid that you pumped it up to 1200 with 4 5 or maybe you have a monster backdoor FD??

I apologise about the sissy remark, this is such an obvious fold

also i like the manner in which you take advice and criticism, look forward to seeing you in the Macau soon

xx

Mr.Plough

SpermManJelly wrote:

Oh no you didn't!

eh

SpermManJelly

bops wrote:

Firstly, as pointed out to you, your description of said villain and the range that you give him don't comply...

Secondly, the range you gave him is very unusual to say the least: just let's say you are at least missing AQ, AJ, and AT - fair enough? I won't bother with the likes of 88 and 77 since KJs crush them.

Anyway flop K rag rag

So with your range plus the other 3 i added in you are ahead/behind half the time.

OK:
you're getting 2/1
based on your description of his range, you are even money
he is a short stack and you have pleanty of chips back
you checked the flop and he pushed - God he must have a strong hand - probably KK, Strong = Strong, maybe he was afraid that you pumped it up to 1200 with 4 5 or maybe you have a monster backdoor FD??

I apologise about the sissy remark, this is such an obvious fold

also i like the manner in which you take advice and criticism, look forward to seeing you in the Macau soon

xx

Im sure you'll be just as cool if we meet in person

bubbleking

in before lock.

in fairness you cant fold here unless your nitty mc nitterson from nitsville

SpermManJelly

bubbleking wrote:

in before lock.

in fairness you cant fold here unless your nitty mc nitterson from nitsville

Who in the blue hell are you?:)

bubbleking

SpermManJelly wrote:

Who in the blue hell are you?:)

i am batman