Turbo and NCT ?

hosi

I'm going to install turbo in my Civic. Should I expect any problems during NCT?

colm_mcm

wouldn't it push emissions up?

there are also other implications such as voiding your insurance.

galwaytt

why would it push emissions up?...........I'd expect, at least, no change, and possibly an improvement due to improved combustion.........which is the whole idea, n'est-ce pas........?

JHMEG

Well it would increase emissions: Burn more petrol get more out the tail pipe.

The biggest increase will probably be CO2, but they don't measure that (yet).

Just as long as the CO and HC are still within the limits, but they will be, if they were before.

I think the OP is probably looking for more power not cleaner exhaust.

Owen

Fantastic sig Colm, people are like magpies when it comes to cars, all they want are shiny things, shiny chrome wheels, shiny chrome headlamp surrounds. And that aftermarket chrome tape? It's ridiculous!

ZiabR

I would be more worried about your insurance becoming void.

JHMEG

JHMEG wrote:

Well it would increase emissions: Burn more petrol get more out the tail pipe.

The biggest increase will probably be CO2, but they don't measure that (yet).

Just as long as the CO and HC are still within the limits, but they will be, if they were before.

I think the OP is probably looking for more power not cleaner exhaust.

They hold the car at a set rev level which isn't the redline anymore so depending where the turbo decides spool up I guess.

jhegarty

logik wrote:

I would be more worried about your insurance becoming void.

Not if he informs them.... and I don't think we have any reason to assume he planning insurance fraud....

Henry Ford III

jhegarty wrote:

Not if he informs them.... and I don't think we have any reason to assume he planning insurance fraud....

Perhaps, but they will laugh at him.

No Civic has a turbo afaik, and the profile - car and heavy mods - is a dead cert. for declinature.

layke

Call them before you do it.

After that, no worries.

JHMEG

ned78 wrote:

Fantastic sig Colm,

Have to say Colm you've put into words and picture what I've been struggling to express ever since Lidl started selling that damn chrome tape! I salute you!

It looks best (sic) on an the old model Mondeo.;)

Henry Ford III

Henry Ford III wrote:

Perhaps, but they will laugh at him.

No Civic has a turbo afaik, and the profile - car and heavy mods - is a dead cert. for declinature.

Not all insurance companies. Those that will cover you ask for an engineers report on any engine modifictions like this. It can be done.

The price of the quote is another matter though.

ciarsd

Is it really that hard to post a reply with some useful info.?

The chap posted up and before he knew it, the suggestion was made that he'd be done for insurance fraud and the like!

Providing the conversion is done properly, adhere's to safety standards and has an engineers report for same, there is no problem with regard to the conversion. In fact there are a number of Honda's running this conversion in Ireland, not only Civic's but Integra's also.
Like ronoc has said however, insurance is indeed another matter - not a problem, just a matter of cost per year.

ciarsd

ciarsd wrote:

Is it really that hard to post a reply with some useful info.?

Agreed.
Sometimes people are more concerned about being technically right than offering useful advice on this forum. Its a bit sad at times.

JohnCleary

ronoc wrote:

Agreed.
Sometimes people are more concerned about being technically right than offering useful advice on this forum. Its a bit sad at times.

no just the majority of the people on here are smartarses. FACT!

hosi

Thanks for your suggestions guys!
Turbo bye bye...

projectgtr

hi hosi
im not going to pretend i know alot about it but ill try to steer you in the right direction.

head out to www.jdmuniverse.com this conversion is a daily operation on there, plus alot of the guys are from the states, alot of their states are very strict on emissions they would be very good to talk to if you want to boost a honda engine the right way.

on the insurance side of things best thing to do it to ring and talk with them, but im sure your gonna want to have a very good ncb and then still be willing to pay out.

if you dont mind me asking what civic (year-engine etc) do you have?

mloc123

There are a few imported VTEC turbo civics around these days. The only problem you'll face with NCT'ing it is the emissions and as far as I know they are not that strict, providing the car has a cat it will most likely pass.

hosi

hi projectgtr,
thanks for the link. I've read already a bit on www.turbod16.com, but not about emissions...

I have '99 Civic D16Y7 (the weakest one :rolleyes: ) I didn't want to go above 180-200bhp and leave stock internals.

That's my baby


Do you have Civic as well?

JDM 4 LIFE!

tuxy

Would it not be better to sell the civic and buy a vtec integra that has that HP stock with no turbo? I'm sure insurance companies would be much happier to insure something like this.
Hell, if you are over 21 , some no claims bonus and full licence, it might even be very reasonable to insure.

projectgtr

tuxy wrote:

Would it not be better to sell the civic and buy a vtec integra that has that HP stock with no turbo? I'm sure insurance companies would be much happier to insure something like this.
Hell, if you are over 21 , some no claims bonus and full licence, it might even be very reasonable to insure.

but then he would be the same as any other integra driver! i admire what your doing man, building the car you want.

at the moment im drivig an EG civic wit a wouldnt pull you out of bed 1.3, but its served me well, ive built up my NCB learned to "drive" (done a few rally days in a mk2 escort)had to do it the "sensible" way as i just bought a house .

now im bringing in an SiR civic from japland but i cant decide on EK or EG all i know is its hatch both ways. any advice? the engine will be more than enough for a while either way.

im looking arround for a used honda engine just to take apart and learn as i want to get alot of wrench time on my car and do as much of the work myself.

by the way that is one clean coupe, thats how i like my civics

tuxy

projectgtr wrote:

but then he would be the same as any other integra driver! i admire what your doing man, building the car you want.

Still, the integra would be the better car and work out cheaper in my opinion. However it's his money.

Max_Damage

Although maybe a bit of an extreme suggestion, how about an engine transplant with a Glanza?

tuxy

Max_Damage wrote:

Although maybe a bit of an extreme suggestion, how about an engine transplant with a Glanza?

Why?

JHMEG

hosi wrote:

I have '99 Civic D16Y7 (the weakest one :rolleyes: ) I didn't want to go above 180-200bhp and leave stock internals.

Had a D16Y7 meself a good while back (can only be a Civic Coupe 1.6i LS). Damn down draught throttle body.

Should take well to a turbo, as stock compression is relatively low. Have been told the stock internals are good to about 310bhp, but the intake manifold is the bottle neck. Escapes me now, but I think a D16Z6 intake manifold was suggested to me at the time (from the older Civic ESi).

The car is weak in a few other places too tho. No rear anti roll bar, drum brakes on the back, suspension is too soft, leading to huge understeer.

As an alternative to a turbo consider dropping a H22 in. There should be a few around. They don't go for big money, tho it's a big enough job.

hosi

projectgtr wrote:

but i cant decide on EK or EG all i know is its hatch both ways. any advice?

EG is lighter! Besides I don't know how is it with JDM EKs, but in european versions the interior quality is very crappy IMO if I compare do my previous EG4... and it's not only my impression...

JHMEG wrote:

They don't go for big money, tho it's a big enough job.

Any idea who can do a swap? And how much does it cost approx. (swap, not the engine)?
How the insurance companies look at cars with swapped engines? I presume swaps are much popular than turbos...

JHMEG

hosi wrote:

Any idea who can do a swap? And how much does it cost approx. (swap, not the engine)?
How the insurance companies look at cars with swapped engines? I presume swaps are much popular than turbos...

TBH, I've never looked for insurance on such a car.

The Tuning Factory would possibly do the swap, or if they don't, they'd probably know someone who would.

Google to see what's involved. Engine swaps are very popular in the US, and the issues are well documented, eg needing aftermaket engine mounts, particular driveshafts, wiring loom adjustments etc. If you're looking for a H22, don't forget you'll at least need the ECU from the donor car aswell.