Pl Omaha Hand Live

baker1

I havent posted any strategy posts and i dont usually read many strategy posts here but i have gotton serious flak about the way i played this hand on saturday in the Jackpot.

The details of the hand in question are as follows. The game is 1-1-5 and is very loose. There is one bigish loser in the game[approx 3k]. I have 1200 before this hand he has 1300. I am the button and he is the small blind. There is a raise in first position to 20 a couple of callers, an allin raise of 120 and an allin of 200 befor the action reaches me. I looked down at KKT8 unsuited and raise to 500 leaving me 700 behind. The small blind quickly calls and we see a flop.

The flop comes TTJ rainbow. We are the only two active players. The SB checks and i check behind. The turn card comes a 6 of diamonds bringing a flusdraw and he checks again, i go all in and he thinks for a minute or so and calls. The river brings a deuce of diamonds and he scoops the pot with a 9 high flush. His hand was A962 with the 92 of diamonds.

I am quiet happy with the way i played this hand and do not treat it as a bad beat in any regard. I was quiet happy that the SB was trying to get his dough back and accordingly played his hand in the manner he did.

I got plent of stick for giving him a free card on the flop. My reasons for doing this was firstly i felt he was very weak and would fold to the push at that stage. Fine some may say you can take on the short stacks and win a fair sized pot. My line however is that there is only 600 in our sidepot. If he folds on the flop and i lose the main pot to one of the allins i only make 100 in the hand. While my hand is strong on the flop to the allins it is vunerable to wrappy hands as i am pretty much blocking my own hand. Therefore i am happy to give the free card and hope he bluffs at the turn or as it turns out calls my allin with the bare flush draw. I am happy that he is calling 700 to win 2800 with a maximum of 6 outs and a good possibility that he is drawing dead.

Allthough i am happy with the way i played the hand i would value others opinions as i know a lot of good omaha players post and read here as i may have to reevaluate 7 years of omaha strategy if i were to go by the reaction of the rest of the players on the night. All replies appreciated.

5starpool

I am not mad about your preflop raise to 500, although I am sure others might have a different option.

Postflop, I don't think your play was that bad, and I can definitely see your reasons for doing it, but in general I would still push here as there is plenty in the pot. Horrible play by him though, both pre and post flop.

eoghan104

I cant see anything too bad with the way you played it. He played it terribly obviousley. if anything I would push that flop but checking isnt terrible.

Samba

Unless i flop a monster that is not vulnerable, i simply do not give opponents free cards.

I hate your flop check, there is money in the middle, take it down now, he could have somthing like QQJK double suited or somthing of that flavour and you are crying to be outdrawn by checking.

O.k if you had JJxx fine1 give him some cards to hang himself with.

I'm in two minds about the re-raise, results based thinking would suggest it was correct, however i don't think i find a re-pot here

This however is dependant on table dynamics.


p.s i suck at Omaha

earthworms

Don't like the preflop raise tbh, but its not the worst.

postflop i'd bet the flop defo but i can see your resons to slow play. The guy is just a tool throughout the hand. hate his turn call. was very ul

p.s i'm amazing at omaha

Samba

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baker1

The raise preflop to 500 was for two reasons. Firstly i am happy to isolate the 2 allins and secondly i make it 500 as a pot sized bet commits me to the hand. It also gives me the oppurtunity to play a big pot in position. In relation to the free card on the flop i thinks its fair to assume that a hand like QQJK as samba suggested is way out of his range on the basis of his preflop call. As i said the result is of little importance but its good to get opinions on these things.

max_power

Slightly OT, i've started solely playing cash PLO online, haven't played live yet apart from the odd sit in a round of each, whats the standard like in Jackpot/fitz? any different to the Holdem?

5starpool

baker1 wrote:

The raise preflop to 500 was for two reasons. Firstly i am happy to isolate the 2 allins and secondly i make it 500 as a pot sized bet commits me to the hand. It also gives me the oppurtunity to play a big pot in position. In relation to the free card on the flop i thinks its fair to assume that a hand like QQJK as samba suggested is way out of his range on the basis of his preflop call. As i said the result is of little importance but its good to get opinions on these things.

Don't take this wrong way, but in Omaha cash game I have never seen someone put in 500 from a 1200 tank in preflop and not be prepared to put in the rest preflop. When you make it 500 you are committing yourself to the hand.

Goodluck2me

this hand is resultant basically on Table dynamics, if he is a bad LAG and calls for 500 with all sorts of sh1t then your monkey raise is fine, but in a normal game i.e. the fitz 50/100 game this would be wrong imo as your kind of turning your hand into a bluff.
also having made it 500 preflop i certainly ship it all on the flop for protection and value as he should call with AAxx etc thinking your cont betting.

cardshark202

postflop is fine, preflop I would need a very good reason to make this re-pot.

RacingSilver

Originally Posted by baker1
The raise preflop to 500 was for two reasons. Firstly i am happy to isolate the 2 allins and secondly i make it 500 as a pot sized bet commits me to the hand. It also gives me the oppurtunity to play a big pot in position.

I agree with 5starpool. By making it 500 preflop you are nearly always committed to the pot. So your positional advantage counts for little. To be honest, I think your pre-flop raise was poor - I don't think your hand is good enough to raise but it is a very good calling hand with the positional advantage.
Given your opponent's tendencies, I think your post-flop play is fine. Against most opponents you should bet the flop because you can't give them a free card to fill say an inside straight. If they don't make a hand on the turn, but maybe pick up a weak flush draw, they may fold anyway thinking they could be drawing very slim. But against this opponent, I think you did good.

baker1

RacingSilver wrote:

I agree with 5starpool. By making it 500 preflop you are nearly always committed to the pot. So your positional advantage counts for little. To be honest, I think your pre-flop raise was poor - I don't think your hand is good enough to raise but it is a very good calling hand with the positional advantage.
Given your opponent's tendencies, I think your post-flop play is fine. Against most opponents you should bet the flop because you can't give them a free card to fill say an inside straight. If they don't make a hand on the turn, but maybe pick up a weak flush draw, they may fold anyway thinking they could be drawing very slim. But against this opponent, I think you did good.

I appreciate the comments. Of course as 5starpool says by betting 500 i am more than commited to the pot. However i make this bet preflop because i am happy to take on the short stacks for the main pot. I did not expect the SB to cold call the 500. In fact i think he was more likely to fold had i simply called as all he wanted to do was play a big pot to get even.

When he does call i have to reevulate my thinking. I think that he is weak hence not pushing preflop and so when the flop coms down i feel i need to give him the free card. As i said the result of the hand is of little concern to me. Thinking back now a call preflop is probably the best option but at the time i believed the SB couldnt get involved without a reasonable hand hence the raise. Thanks for all the opinions lads, they are all welcome