Aq Oop 5/10

AmarilloFats

I have played about 70 hands at table. My image must be very tight as ive play about 14 hands and raised 12 of them.
Time2bust you is a good tag, multitabler, winner over ~1000hands. pretty sure he's noticed how im playing. he runs around 22vpip/14pfr/2 aggression
gabhan is bad, his call means nathin.

6 handed, I have $1050 both villains cover.


gabhran1 posts small blind (5)
HERO posts big blind (10)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qs, Ah ]

Time2BustYou raises (35) to 35 -- from UTG + 1

gabhran1 calls (30)
HERO raises (132) to 142
Time2BustYou calls (107)
gabhran1 calls (107)

Time2BustYou must put me on a big hand. I can't imagine him slowplaying AA KK with gabhran still to act. So at this point i put him on AK or a PP less that QQ.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 4h, 4d ]
gabhran1 checks.
HERO bets (288)
Time2BustYou calls (288)
gabhran1 folds.

?? So now he calls. I think he has me absolutlely crushed or is calling to take it awya from me on turn cause he see's me as too tight. but he must be worried about AA KK QQ.
Put this way I cant see him calling with a worse hand that he also thinks is best ie - KQ JJ
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kh ]
HERO checks.
Time2BustYou bets (200) (Pot is ~950)

Hero kicks cat...and ACTION

Action!!??fuppin hate AQ.

Tar.Aldarion

If you are going to call, why check.
If you are not going to call, your decision is easy.
if you are going to crai, best move evar.

BigCityBanker

What about the merits of you RR oop with AQ? Is this not a spot to call rather than RR?

This 200 bet is pretty silly looking considering the pot size. I think im folding. Your not beating much. AK, KQ, AA, KK, QQ are all likely there. I reckon the best you can hope for is an optimistic JJ and thats not there often enough to warrant a push by you.

Why do you assign him a PP less than QQ in his range? It has been raised to 14bb's preflop, Surely this isnt a bad spot to call with KK or AA rather than rr?

phantom_lord

lol, he just bet 200 into a pot that's around 1k?


I think u should check the flop anyway. um, i guess fold now.

phantom_lord

What about the merits of you RR oop with AQ? Is this not a spot to call rather than RR?

i think raising >>>> calling.

BigCityBanker

phantom_lord wrote:

i think raising >>>> calling.

Even after a good TAG has raised from UTG?

Ollieboy

what position did he raise from, what was his stack size and was this 6 hand?

Also, why such a big reraise preflop? It kind of forces you to continuation bet on the flop out of position... rather the flat call here and check raise the flop. If he calls that I would have slowed down and try to keep the pot under control.

sikes

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

If you are going to call, why check.
If you are not going to call, your decision is easy.
if you are going to crai, best move evar.

what?

Anyway, I call the turn, its unlikely the K helped him in anyway. Do you 3bet much from the blinds? There are no feasible draws that he could have that he has got this far with. Check the river and I prob call any bet. (This is on the basis he will 4bet AA,KK from the OP)

Gholimoli

check the flop

cardshark202

Preflop looks more than fine esp if it was a button raise. I often check this flop cos when you think about it, betting here is almost a bluff vs the good player. I would c/c flop, and if c/f turn if time2bust bets again. If t2b checks behind flop then you could consider betting the turn for value.

As the hand played out, his turn bet would make me puke. Yuck yuck yuck. Fold. If he's good you're only beating something like JJ.

cardshark202

I don't think he 4bets AA/KK preflop most of the time. He wants gabhran in the hand if hes that bad.

phantom_lord

sikes wrote:

(This is on the basis he will 4bet AA,KK from the OP)

how likely is it he have just called with aa/kk to keep gabhran1 in the hand?

AmarilloFats

Ollieboy wrote:

what position did he raise from, what was his stack size and was this 6 hand?

Also, why such a big reraise preflop? It kind of forces you to continuation bet on the flop out of position... rather the flat call here and check raise the flop. If he calls that I would have slowed down and try to keep the pot under control.

edited op.
it was 6 handed.
He raised from utg + 1
relative stacks 1000

sikes

phantom_lord wrote:

how likely is it he have just called with aa/kk to keep gabhran1 in the hand?

I was mearly going on the info in the OP, we have 1k hands against this guy so we should know his game and vice versa. It reallly depends on history, but if we think he is 4 betting AA/KK a lot of the time preflop then really we cant give up the turn ever.

AmarilloFats

sikes wrote:

I was mearly going on the info in the OP, we have 1k hands against this guy so we should know his game and vice versa. It reallly depends on history, but if we think he is 4 betting AA/KK a lot of the time preflop then really we cant give up the turn ever.

-- Unless he has KK the King on the turn has not improved his hand.

If he had played KK like this preflop. well then this is the type of flop he would just call...as Now he don't beat QQ AA and this surely would have been a big part of my range.

I thought about checking flop. But i thought I could get gazbhan to commit with worse hands..And I did not want ot give 2 opps free cards.
I tought "if time2bustyou calls he has me beat, surely he never peels one off here with JJ AK KQ..and If gazbhan calls we can get all in on most turns"

AmarilloFats

phantom_lord wrote:

how likely is it he have just called with aa/kk to keep gabhran1 in the hand?

Im not sure.I would usually want to get it heads up since we all have 100bb or more.. !?
and i think this is the crux, and ive no clue so i think im fukked

Captain Tom

sikes wrote:

Check the river and I prob call any bet.

it would be pretty sick to fold river getting around 5-1 but i cant see a good player ever bluffing in that spot.

semibluff

i like the re-raise pre - but as said unfortunately with Gahbran in the hand we cant rule out AA/KK because he would be right to want that extra player in. also if you have suspicions that he would call to take you off the hand then AK is very possible - perhaps he said "i know this guy will continutaion bet any flop and depending on how he bets the turn ill take it off him or fold (and as it turned out he hit the King)

just a possibility aswell

sikes

Captain Tom wrote:

it would be pretty sick to fold river getting around 5-1 but i cant see a good player ever bluffing in that spot.

i think a call on the turn is fine getting 5/1, the whole threat of future bets is making it a very cheap for the villain to bluff on the turn. Its really based on how the game is flowing, it may also look like we are going into check call mode, depending on the flow of the game.

Captain Tom

sikes wrote:

i think a call on the turn is fine getting 5/1, the whole threat of future bets is making it a very cheap for the villain to bluff on the turn. Its really based on how the game is flowing, it may also look like we are going into check call mode, depending on the flow of the game.

sorry i meant if we call turn and he shoves river then were getting around 5-1

sikes

Captain Tom wrote:

sorry i meant if we call turn and he shoves river then were getting around 5-1

sorry Im an idiot.

AmarilloFats

So if I check the flop as gholi suggeszsted.
If time2 bets 250-330 my move is?

If flop is checked around and I bet a blank turn to get raised my move is?

Gholimoli

AmarilloFats wrote:

So if I check the flop as gholi suggeszsted.
If time2 bets 250-330 my move is?

If flop is checked around and I bet a blank turn to get raised my move is?

The pot was already infated pre-flop.
The flop is good for you but not good enough to make it bigger based on the description of the villain.
You will pretty much have to fold if any of your bets get raised by villain.
Often he will have the best hand but some times you will be forced to fold the best hand .
There is pretty much only one over card that you are afraid of which is a K so you shouldn’t be afraid of giving free cards (if you are indeed ahead).
You check flop and if he bets full pot I would prob fold.
I would call a 2/3 pot bet and check fold the turn unless I improve.

If he checks behind I would do the same on the turn .

AmarilloFats

Gholimoli wrote:

The pot was already infated pre-flop.
The flop is good for you but not good enough to make it bigger based on the description of the villain.
You will pretty much have to fold if any of your bets get raised by villain.
Often he will have the best hand but some times you will be forced to fold the best hand .
There is pretty much only one over card that you are afraid of which is a K so you shouldn’t be afraid of giving free cards (if you are indeed ahead).
You check flop and if he bets full pot I would prob fold.
I would call a 2/3 pot bet and check fold the turn unless I improve.

If he checks behind I would do the same on the turn .

you say innflated like it's a diiirty word!!LOL.
Seems quite weak to go into check call mode in this spot.
There is another very bad villain in the pot also.

Would you have raised preflop!?

Gholimoli

AmarilloFats wrote:

you say innflated like it's a diiirty word!!LOL.
Seems quite weak to go into check call mode in this spot.
There is another very bad villain in the pot also.

Would you have raised preflop!?

Im not sure I like the raise pre-flop,if I thought villain was tight I would rather raise with something like 78s ,9T ,or 55 66 or something like that rather than AQ.
I think against a good tight opponent AQ out of position just has too much reveres implied odds .

Why do you think its weak going in to check call mode?
You are either way behind or way ahead in the hand and check calling is often the best strategy to imply in situations like this.
And also I wouldn’t check/call on more than one street.
If I cc the flop and check the turn and he bets again im usually gone.
I don’t think there is anything weak about that.