Ruling question

Glowingmind

Two players in the hand SB and BB,

Blinds are 3k/6k

BB is making a bit of a speech about what a good hand they have.

SB says raise, then picks up a stack of 15k which was separate from his main stack.

BB says call out of turn (before the SB had actually said how much they were raising or put any chips over the line)

SB pauses for a couple of seconds and then announces all in.


What happens now?

shoutman

Its a call and the BB looks like a tool as SB turns over aces....

Trippie

that exact same thing happened to me playing the fiver rebuy in dit with aodea saying raise and me calling,i think he had A10 and it held up against my j9

LuckyLloyd

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Mellor

its a call for the BB, that teach the eager beever

cooker3

He has to call

kakak1

Yes his call must stand

cooker3

Actually on a similar point. I seen a ruling in the Jackpot a few weeks ago which I thought was weird.

It was in a tournament, a guy pushes all-in, the person on the sb who has lloydesque headphones on him says call, bb folds, he then only realises that someone has pushed all-in and claims he was only calling the bb. A ruling is made by TD that he has to put in the amount of bb to call but can fold to the all in, he has seen his cards btw.
Anyone agree with this?

padser

Someone raises all in, you say call - didnt realise it was an all in raise - tough.


BTW the ruling is absolutely bizzare. Assuming the SB didnt act out of turn (ie calling before the all in bet had been announced) there is no logic whatsoever to making the guy pay the BB. Once the action was on him he had two options, either call the all in or fold.

It a completely different situation to where someone calls out of turn and there is a subseqent raise to them before the action is on them - AFAIK thats where the ruling of paying the initial call but not being bound to call the all in occurs.

shoutman

He said call... so he's all in! I'd make this ruling just to make sure he pays attention in future.

phantom_lord

cooker3 wrote:

Actually on a similar point. I seen a ruling in the Jackpot a few weeks ago which I thought was weird.

It was in a tournament, a guy pushes all-in, the person on the sb who has lloydesque headphones on him says call, bb folds, he then only realises that someone has pushed all-in and claims he was only calling the bb. A ruling is made by TD that he has to put in the amount of bb to call but can fold to the all in, he has seen his cards btw.
Anyone agree with this?

i think it's ok.

phantom_lord

last night in a cash game, biggish pot on the turn, chinese gambooler dude throws out a 100chip and says 75, woman says call putting out a 25 chip. it's then pointed out he said 75, he says "it's ok you can take it back", and reaches across the table and throws the chip back.

she deliberates for a good min or two about the call...:rolleyes:

I'm sitting there thinking "wtf??? insta-call!!"

Jesus Wept

cooker3 wrote:

Actually on a similar point. I seen a ruling in the Jackpot a few weeks ago which I thought was weird.

It was in a tournament, a guy pushes all-in, the person on the sb who has lloydesque headphones on him says call, bb folds, he then only realises that someone has pushed all-in and claims he was only calling the bb. A ruling is made by TD that he has to put in the amount of bb to call but can fold to the all in, he has seen his cards btw.
Anyone agree with this?

I think its wrong.

Goodluck2me

The-Rigger wrote:

I think its wrong.

depends what game it is. if its a small buy in then its not a good idea being a rules freak FWOABT just punish them enough by makign them call as it was obvious that is what they were intending. the ALL in guy might have been bluffing as well?



FWOABT - for want of a better term

DeVore

In the OP, the caller is angle shooting trying to intimidate the SB and should be forced to call whatever bet they make imho.

DeV.

5starpool

On a reverse of this I remember a hand from late night poker a few years ago when Player A says 'Raise' and is about to throw in a big raise, but then Player B says all-in straight away, and player A thinks, minraises and folds. Served Player B right I thought.

ITT-Pat

cooker3 wrote:

Actually on a similar point. I seen a ruling in the Jackpot a few weeks ago which I thought was weird.

It was in a tournament, a guy pushes all-in, the person on the sb who has lloydesque headphones on him says call, bb folds, he then only realises that someone has pushed all-in and claims he was only calling the bb. A ruling is made by TD that he has to put in the amount of bb to call but can fold to the all in, he has seen his cards btw.
Anyone agree with this?

It was me who was all-in that hand, it was in the Jackpot €50 FO. Blinds were 400-800 and I was all-in for 6k and the SB actually said Raise after my all-in and the ruling made was that the SB had to put in the min-raise of 1600 and fold if he didnt want to call. This was after i turned over AK.