Is this 530i over priced?

Cyrus

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=669889

if for a straight sale, assuming the car is as good as it looks, i got this for between 20 and 21 would it be expensive at that or decent value considering spec and mileage

rebel.ranter

The combination of colour and that spec makes me think that it's a UK import. Be sure to find out the UK history if you are going to persue this car. The reg is probably high for WW too, another hint that it's an import.

optiplexgx270

Wouldnt think so going by whats available (model/year) but this one sure is: http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carid=594690

20-21 might be a push but sure push away see what you can beat him/her down to

Cyrus

rebel.ranter wrote:

The combination of colour and that spec makes me think that it's a UK import. Be sure to find out the UK history if you are going to persue this car. The reg is probably high for WW too, another hint that it's an import.

6224 hardly high for wicklow?

optiplexgx270

Import in my mind from the UK is a good thing once you get all your checks done. I'd rather have a car after having done 50k miles on UK motorways/roads.

Cyrus

mine two, doubt that thats an import tho, not that it would matter to me

rebel.ranter

Cyrus wrote:

6224 hardly high for wicklow?

Go onto http://www.cartell.ie and you'll see that the 01-WW only hits 6900. I imported a 2002 car in March last year and I've seen cars 2500 numbers after mine.

TommyT

In my opinion the car is way over priced. Its the pre-facelift model so you would be better looking out for a newer E39 (2002 on). You will pick up a well specced 530 in the UK for between 6 and 7 Stg and VRT would be around 5 euro.
It may be a bit inconvenient to go to the UK, but you will get a much higher spec car and save a few thousand as well.

Cyrus

erm i think its a face lift, e39 was facelifted late 2000.

ive been looking at uk cars and its not possible to get a 530 with that spec for less than 8.5k with under 100,000 miles

TommyT

The car in that ad has the old style M Parallel Alloys and has the old M-tech steering wheel. These were changed late 2001 early 2002 if I remember correctly. There were also a few other minor changes.

Here is one on Autotrader.co.uk and I am sure you will find a few on Ebay.
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/CARS_popup.jsp?searchform=&modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&photo=1&state=block&sort=3&hassearched=Y&make=BMW&min_pr=75&source=0&model=5+SERIES&max_pr=&miles=1500&agerange=2&mileage=&postcode=ws15+2xw&variant=&bodyid=0&trim=&fuelid=0&colour=&transmissionid=0&keywords=530i&ukcarsearch_full.x=0&ukcarsearch_full.y=0&start=1&distance=45&adcategory=CARS&channel=CARS&id=200716104816679

Cyrus

they arent the old style wheels they are optional 18" ones which imo look much nicer than the stock 17" ones

when you said facelift i assumed you meant the angel eyes etc which the irish car has.

there is not mention of mileage on the ad you;ve shown, examples for that kinda price have done over 120,000 normally.

im not trying to argue or anything just trying to ascertain if the car ive posted is acceptable value, given the low mileage, and i appreciate your input

TommyT

The wheels on that car are 18" M Parallels, which first appeared on the previous model M5 (E34). Maybe I am biased as I prefer the newer M5 wheel or the E39 Sport wheel. Good luck with finding a suitbale car, its not always easy.

Cyrus

cool, i prefer those wheels over the 17" myself but i do like the m5s

i have seen the newer s/w you mentioned are there any other changes?

do you have an e39 sport yourself btw?

TommyT

There are a few other minor cosmetic changes, nothing that the average person would really notice.
I had a fair few E39s mostly 530D Sports but I had an M5. Currently in an E46 M3.

colm_mcm

I sold a facelifted 01 530i earleir this year, without the M kit, but still nicely specced for 12,500.
530d is what people want, not 530i

Cyrus

what mileage was on yours colm? sports kit adds a good bit of value.

some people want 530d, i dont tho

colm_mcm

there was 62 on it. had most of the spec that one had, but admittedly not the big wheels or kit. I struggled to sell it, I don't think that car is worth anywhere close to what it's being advertised for.

SGKM

I saw that 530i for sale in Lamb and O'Connor a few months ago, so its been there for a while. Its a fantastic example and a great spec, it looks really clean too. My dad used to have an e39 530d Sport and it was a great car.

If your after a 530i Sport, you should consider an 02/03 Champagene Edition from the UK, they came with the sport pack, comms pack, 18" parellel spoke alloys and a nice wood trim.

colm_mcm

Maybe they sell within the BMW network, but my experience of them and that of anyone else I know that's had them is that they sell for less than the equivelant 520i or 530d

unkel

Great looking car!

I got my last car from them. Mine was a 7 year old BMW 530i V8. Got it for a bit more than half of what they advertised it for at the time

If your negotiating skills are up to scratch, you should get the 6 year old BMW 530i straight six for €14k-€15k

Old big engined petrol cars in Ireland = buyers market. Fantastic bargains to be had, even with premium high quality cars

oleras

unkel wrote:

I got my last car from them. ........... Got it for a bit more than half of what they advertised it for at the time

I know who i would like with me next time im changing......

Cyrus

unkel wrote:

Great looking car!

I got my last car from them. Mine was a 7 year old BMW 530i V8. Got it for a bit more than half of what they advertised it for at the time

If your negotiating skills are up to scratch, you should get the 6 year old BMW 530i straight six for €14k-€15k

Old big engined petrol cars in Ireland = buyers market. Fantastic bargains to be had, even with premium high quality cars

jesus thats serious negotiating, i assume a cash sale? and how did you manage to secure a 40-50% discount :eek:

Cyrus

colm_mcm wrote:

Maybe they sell within the BMW network, but my experience of them and that of anyone else I know that's had them is that they sell for less than the equivelant 520i or 530d

its a shame tho, only in ireland is it better to own a 520 instead of a 530 and a 318 instead of a 325/330.

and the tax differential isnt even that much, how did people get this way

HashSlinging

I think thats very expensive, seen a 01 go last year for 16,500, at a local dealers. No mtec but had all the other toys inc leather.

very optimistic.

Cyrus

big difference in value of mtec and non mtec and mileage can vary prices wildely too. i dont think i could pay more than 18.5 for this one tho and im not sure if theyd go for that

Linford

Cyrus wrote:

its a shame tho, only in ireland is it better to own a 520 instead of a 530 and a 318 instead of a 325/330.

and the tax differential isnt even that much, how did people get this way

People seem to have this misconception that the tax difference is huge. When I bought my 325Ci, I was surprised at the number of people that mentioned car tax, its only €282 a year more than a 318...

Lord Nikon

The E39 was facelifted in September 2000. Noticable differences would include halo headlights front and rear bumpers were different also, they had no chrome fixtures.

galwaytt

Cyrus wrote:

and the tax differential isnt even that much, how did people get this way

a 2.0 car is 539 to tax, and the 530 would be -about - 1100. I can't see how anyone could refer to that gap as 'not much'. That difference would insure that car, for me, for nearly two years.

Not to mention the fact the fact that the car will continue to depreciate like a stone, and, will slurp juice........

Eoin

galwaytt wrote:

a 2.0 car is 539 to tax, and the 530 would be -about - 1100. I can't see how anyone could refer to that gap as 'not much'. That difference would insure that car, for me, for nearly two years.

And that's if they don't put an even bigger loading on > 3 litre engines. Would you get insurance on a 530 for less than 300 a year though? I'm jealous!

Cyrus, have you actually brought one for a spin yet? I drove a 525 a couple of weeks ago as I was thinking of changing from my e46 saloon, and I was a little disappointed. I think you would miss the handling of your coupe, especially given that you were looking at the likes of the RX8 etc. Granted the one I drove wasn't an M-Tec, so it may not have had the same suspension etc.

Cyrus

eoin_s wrote:

And that's if they don't put an even bigger loading on > 3 litre engines. Would you get insurance on a 530 for less than 300 a year though? I'm jealous!

Cyrus, have you actually brought one for a spin yet? I drove a 525 a couple of weeks ago as I was thinking of changing from my e46 saloon, and I was a little disappointed. I think you would miss the handling of your coupe, especially given that you were looking at the likes of the RX8 etc. Granted the one I drove wasn't an M-Tec, so it may not have had the same suspension etc.

eoin, yeah ive driven an mtec 5 and its a different car to the std one to be fair tweaked suspension makes a big difference, feels pretty much like the e46 only bigger. im half afraid of an rx8, they are very tail happy and to be fair i like powerful cars but im not someone who likes to press on all the time on back roads esp if i dont know them, the 530 could be a more comfortable solution.

the look of this particular one has really grabbed me aswell

Cyrus

galwaytt wrote:

a 2.0 car is 539 to tax, and the 530 would be -about - 1100. I can't see how anyone could refer to that gap as 'not much'. That difference would insure that car, for me, for nearly two years.

Not to mention the fact the fact that the car will continue to depreciate like a stone, and, will slurp juice........

proper 2 litre is 689, difference is just over 400 quid or 8 quid a week, like i said, irish people have a strange aversion to paying slightly more road tax

Eoin

Cyrus wrote:

eoin, yeah ive driven an mtec 5 and its a different car to the std one to be fair tweaked suspension makes a big difference, feels pretty much like the e46 only bigger. im half afraid of an rx8, they are very tail happy and to be fair i like powerful cars but im not someone who likes to press on all the time on back roads esp if i dont know them, the 530 could be a more comfortable solution.

the look of this particular one has really grabbed me aswell

Ah right, was just checking. The one I drove was standard, and I found the steering a little vague compared to my 3 series. That's on Eibach pro springs though, so shouldn't have been too surprised. I found that the tiptronic gear changes took a little while to react also.

galwaytt

Cyrus wrote:

proper 2 litre is 689, difference is just over 400 quid or 8 quid a week, like i said, irish people have a strange aversion to paying slightly more road tax

Sorry, you are incorrect. Having recently taxed my E200 Kompressor - not a the 1.8 version - I can assure you the tax is Eur539.

See here for proof http://www.dublincity.ie/living_in_the_city/getting_around/motor_tax/taxing_vehicles/motor_tax_rates_of_duty_-_private_vehicles.asp

So, what exactly is a 'proper' 2.0 ??

Cyrus

a car with an engine capacity of 2001 cc

anyway the point still stands make it €9 a week,

obviously (and this is not a pop at you just an observation) you arent particularily into performance if you bought a car the size of an eclass with a 4 pot 2 litre engine, and this is why you see the extra tax as a deterrent.

a large engine in a large car (within reason) can be almost as frugal as smaller one as it can deal carrying the weight around, my 2.5 bmw 3 series was more economical than my mums 2 litre. plus you have the extra performance when needed.

Anyway the irish fixation with this is good news for me, i bought my 323ci for the less than what an average 00 318ci was going for despite the huge price difference when new, mind boggles!

to my mind a non 6cyl petrol bmw isnt an attractive purchase

Cyrus

eoin_s wrote:

Ah right, was just checking. The one I drove was standard, and I found the steering a little vague compared to my 3 series. That's on Eibach pro springs though, so shouldn't have been too surprised. I found that the tiptronic gear changes took a little while to react also.

did you stick the auto into sport mode? makes a big difference, i hated my dads e60 until i found that by pushing the lever left you activated sport mode, much nicer drive!

Eoin

Cyrus wrote:

did you stick the auto into sport mode? makes a big difference, i hated my dads e60 until i found that by pushing the lever left you activated sport mode, much nicer drive!

Yeah, did that - but think I'm just too used to the low-down pull from my tractor engine. Since getting a new MAF put in, it's pretty nippy.

galwaytt

Cyrus wrote:

a car with an engine capacity of 2001 cc

cannot be taxed as a 2.0, so my point stands...

obviously (and this is not a pop at you just an observation) you arent particularily into performance if you bought a car the size of an eclass with a 4 pot 2 litre engine, and this is why you see the extra tax as a deterrent.

oh dear, now you really shouldn't have said that - it's both presumptous AND ill-informed.......next thing you'll tell me is that Size Matters :rolleyes: http://homepage.eircom.net/~moylan/ttmx5.jpg and http://homepage.eircom.net/~moylan/my911.jpg are offered in evidence, m'lud......;) And that's only the 4-wheel stuff..........

a large engine in a large car (within reason) can be almost as frugal as smaller one as it can deal carrying the weight around, my 2.5 bmw 3 series was more economical than my mums 2 litre. plus you have the extra performance when needed.

don't doubt that for a minute, but there is a balance. In fact, the handbook for the 911 says 41 mpg @ 75mph........

Anyway the irish fixation with this is good news for me, i bought my 323ci for the less than what an average 00 318ci was going for despite the huge price difference when new, mind boggles!

yes, good for you. And you'll sell at a similar discount when the time comes to change, too.

to my mind a non 6cyl petrol bmw isnt an attractive purchase

Fair enough, but hand me a hi-po 4-pot over a too-heavy six-pot anytime. The original M3, remember, was a 4-pot whilst the Joe Public version was a 6-pot.

Cyrus

lol seems i was wrong, but are they all yours? i dont doubt it but who needs 4 cars and an e200 does some out of kilter with the rest?

as for your point standing so does mine change €8 per week to €8.50

ive just sold my 323ci, cost me about 1,000 euros in depreciation to own it for 7.5 months and drive 13,000 miles, very good value motoring.

the original m3 was a 4 pot, the new one will be a v8? so? what im saying is, a bmw 318 is in my opinion a bmw in badge only, you can be sure there's very few of them (proportionally speaking) sold in germany and the uk

galwaytt

yep, all me own..........fault !! LOL

Merc was, a well,.........well you should do everything at least once, I guess.......

I'm with you about the 318, though.......and you did well on the 323.

Currently having the (endless) 993 vs 968 vs chipped TT debate.....

Cyrus

galwaytt wrote:

yep, all me own..........fault !! LOL

Merc was, a well,.........well you should do everything at least once, I guess.......

I'm with you about the 318, though.......and you did well on the 323.

Currently having the (endless) 993 vs 968 vs chipped TT debate.....

now thats easy, clean 993 every time altho nice choice!

TJJP

Cyrus wrote:

proper 2 litre is 689, difference is just over 400 quid or 8 quid a week, like i said, irish people have a strange aversion to paying slightly more road tax

More than that I'm afraid for a year 2000 on 520. The e39 520i has a 2.2 (2171cc) costing €722 to tax. The 3L will be €1,109, so fair comment, there isn't much in it.

As for the 530i, its a fine example, but a bit high priced for the year and with the way petrol is going it won't be easy to shift it. It could well be an import, which is no bad thing, but 5s are very easy to clock so check the log for a previous UK reg and HPI check it.

Service book is a good guide, if it's there, but a quick look on eBay for e39 service books should be a pointer. Dealer or not, get a look at the registration cert and HPI check before you buy.

Have a look at 2002 530D's too. A rocket, and available for below 18k for an 80k mile example.

unkel

Cyrus wrote:

ive just sold my 323ci, cost me about 1,000 euros in depreciation to own it for 7.5 months and drive 13,000 miles, very good value motoring

You did very well - again!

Cyrus wrote:

the irish fixation with this is good news for me

Hush now - do not spread the word! Or risk a lengthy ban

Cyrus

hehe sorry, did you get my pm?

Cyrus

hmmm whats the story

they were sellin this car in feb this year

http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2487&highlight=530i

either they lied to me about only getting it back in last week or someone kept it a very short time