why dont loose players make it easier on us?

Trippie

late in the morning and we are five handed with two of the biggest gambers i ave ever seen and myself and another guy fully expect to take all their cash.im on about 1400 pounds

one guy is in the hole for 1500 pounds so he is playing his last 1000 and playing like a madman making it 20 quid every time pre-flop.

i stradle for a fiver and he makes 20, i call with j5 off-suite in the stradle as there is a big chance im ahead.

flop comes jc 10d 6c,firstly whats my plan fo i check knowing he will bet or just bet out knowing he will call regardless what hew has?

i check and he promptly bets out 25 quid which i thought he would, i raise it to 75 and he thinks for a short time and calls

turn is 2s

i bet out 160 and he goes into he tank for ages and pushes all-in (he is making it 770 total) even though his stack is too big but i say leave it in to the dealer as if i call it will be for his whole stack, the guy then proceeds to go
"i know i have you now,come on call and get me out of the hole for the night",

is there anyway i can call and be ahead with just top pair with this maniac?

valor

i think your preflop and flop play is pretty bad, playing pots with j5 off oop is NOT the way to punish people like that. Waiting for a big hand and pouncing IS

on the flop I would play passively to keep the pot small. c/c here is pretty obvious, check raising is very bad here

as played I would check the turn abd after he shoves it coems down to live tells and reads and history you dont give enough info in the post for me to know but as a general rule i would fold

Hectorjelly

J5 is an awful hand and whilst you might be technically ahead with your high with there is a reason people play 67s but not k2o. You are out of position with a hand that is totally useless.

Trippie

i always take a lot of stick about my pre-flop play as i like to make what seems to be ridiculous bets preflop but i find they enable me to extract extra value when im ahead and get away cheaply when i dont hit. i should also point out i only do these in live cash games as the they help increase the size of the pot.

with my check raise on the flop i can assure this guy has made every single hand 20 quid pre-flop and has bet 25/30 quid on the flop every hand and he has been running bad so more than likely he hasnt hit.

HJ i know the hand is rubbish but i am inclined to call because the stacks are large and he is raising every single hand to 20 for the last 30/40 minutes and i did put the fiver stradle on so i couldnt give that up

(i know this this may be one of the worst poker comments in a long time)

Mr.Plough

i call with j5 off-suite in the stradle as there is a big chance im ahead

move down levels

BrandonBlock

is there anyway i can call and be ahead with just top pair with this maniac?

Yes

Jesus Wept

Tripple wrote:

i stradle for a fiver and he makes 20, i call with j5 off-suite in the stradle as there is a big chance im ahead.

There are only 3 hands J5 is really ahead of preflop, and even then, its marginal.

J4
J3
and
J2


Would you go so far as to say you are slowplaying your J5o

LuckyLloyd

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jbravado

If this guy is playing like a looper why not just wait for a decent hand to stack him...?j5 oop isnt really that-your setting yourself up for a tough spot later in the hand with the cr being pretty horrible.
If your so determined to play this hand why not checkcall if you feel your hand has some showdown value?

phantom_lord

pf is awful. as is the c/r.

fold now i guess.

ianmc38

Hectorjelly wrote:

J5 is an awful hand

Dont say that to HalfBaked!

Trippie

The-Rigger wrote:

There are only 3 hands J5 is really ahead of preflop, and even then, its marginal.

J4
J3
and
J2


Would you go so far as to say you are slowplaying your J5o

i firmly believed there was a chance he has a 10 or an underpair as i have seen this guy call a 125 pound river bet on a Q J J 10 9 board with pocket 4's thinking he is ahead of a rock, i know the J5 is rubbish but because of this reason I was willing to play nearly every hand preflop against him and it had been working so far as he was one of the biggest contributors to my stack

he believes he if he has top pair he has the nuts and he has such a reputation that the table was going to break at 7 in the morning but when people saw him coming the entire table decided to play on as they knew he had loads of cash to give away.

White Knight

Trippie wrote:

late in the morning and we are five handed with two of the biggest gambers i ave ever seen and myself and another guy fully expect to take all their cash.im on about 1400 pounds

sounds like 3 crazy gamblers and another guy waiting to take all the money

Trippie wrote:

he believes he if he has top pair he has the nuts

Sounds like you are making any excuse to get it all in for only 385BB more :rolleyes: and if he has top pair this time, you are behind :rolleyes:

smoothcall

i dont mind playin J 5 here with this nutter, you have to play pots with these guys before they loose there money elsewhere. People always moan about how i didnt get any of that maniacs cash, when there waitin for the nuts against them, .

In this hand i dunno, its a hard one. I probably wouldnt lead the turn , although your probably gonna have this decision anyway theres a chance in wont be for every thing.

Mr.Plough

surely you can find a better starting point that j5.

LuckyLloyd

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Trippie

White Knight wrote:

sounds like 3 crazy gamblers and another guy waiting to take all the money

ye talk to anyone that knows me and they'll tell thats about right although i must be the luckiest guy around as i somehow manage to make some sort of profit when i play.

Sounds like you are making any excuse to get it all in for only 385BB more :rolleyes: and if he has top pair this time, you are behind :rolleyes:

im not,i was just trying to give some background about him not trying to make excuses, but even so if he was to expose his cards and show me that i am ahead are you still not happy with getting it all-in, i thought the aim of the game was to make as much money as possible?

LuckyLloyd

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Trippie

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

He isn't showing us his cards though is he?

Look Gordon, I assume that you made the hero call and were proven correct on this occassion. Well done if that is the case. However IMO, the object of this forum is not to condone calling raises OOP with trash holdings. So we will probably all have to agree to disagree with your train of thought on the hand.

no i didnt i folded, but was thinking along the lines as whiteknight saying getting it all-in for 300 odd bb with just top pair is crazy and i was promptly shown 10 9 ,but the first thought in my head was that i was ahead and to call and i was annoyed i didnt trust my initial thought when i folded

cooker3

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

You are entitled to play a different more aggressive style to a player like myself.

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

the object of this forum is not to condone calling raises OOP with trash holdings

Lol, any other rulings you would like to inform us of lloyd?

RasTa

Just let the agro tilt monkeys bet into you in these situations.

Jesus Wept

[quote=[The-Rigger]
Originally Posted by The-Rigger
There are only 3 hands J5 is really ahead of preflop, and even then, its marginal.

J4
J3
and
J2


Would you go so far as to say you are slowplaying your J5o[/quote]

Trippie wrote:

i firmly believed there was a chance he has a 10 or an underpair

I was refering to you saying you thought preflop that there was a 'big chance' your J5 was likely ahead.

I'm saying that J5 can't ever really be ahead preflop, in any real sense.


Anyhow, I digress, continue

Jesus Wept

cooker3 wrote:

Lol, any other rulings you would like to inform us of lloyd?

THIS JUST IN: YOU SUCK

smoothcall

Im not saying J 5 is an good hand to play , but when a guy is playin as crazy as Trippie said ill definitely (call with any two) for 15 quid when hes playin 1000, because if you hit a big flop you can get it all.

Goodluck2me

smoothcall wrote:

Im not saying J 5 is an good hand to play , but when a guy is playin as crazy as Trippie said ill definitely (call with any two) for 15 quid when hes playin 1000, because if you hit a big flop you can get it all.

if your going to play J5 for Jack value then raise, bet folding certainly isnt the way to do it.

PS pre flop horrible, flop horrible, turn worse, river EZ call!