NFL Draft

Chucky the tree

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I stick the picks up here.


1. Raiders- Jamcarcus Russel QB
2. Lions - Calvin Johnson WR
3. Cleveland Browns - Joe Thomas LT
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Gaines Adams DE
5. Arizona Cardinals - Levi Brown LT
6. Washington Redskins - LaRon Landry S
7. Minnistoa Vikings - Adrian Peterson RB
8. Atlanta Falcons - Jamal Anderson DE
9. Miami Dolphins - Tedd Ginn jnr - WR (lol)
10. Houston Texans - Amobi Okoye DT
11. San Francisco 49ers - Patrick Willis LB
12. Buffalo Bills - Marshawn Lynch RB
13. St Louis Rams - Adam Carriker DE
14. New York Jets(traded with Carolina Panthers) - Derell Revis CB
15. Pittsburgh Steelers - Lawerence Timmons LB
16. Green Bay Packers - Justin Harrell DT
17. Denver Broncos(Traded from 21 with the jags)- Jarvis Moss DE
18. Cincinatti Bengals - Leon Hall CB
19. Tennesse Titans - Michael Griffin S
20. New York Giants - Aaron Ross CB
21. Jackonville Jaguars - Reggie Nelson S
22. Cleveland Browns(traded with Cowboys) - Brady Quinn QB
23. Kansas City Chiefs - Dawyne Bowe - WR
24. New England Patriots - Brandon Merriweather S
25. Carolina Panthers - John Beason - LB
26. Dallas cowboys(From eagles) - Anthony Spencer DE
27. New Orlean Saints - Robert Meacham WR
28. San Francisco 49ers(From Patriots) - Joe Staley OT
29. Baltimore Ravens - Ben Grubbs OT
30. San Diego Chargers - Craig Davis WR
31. Chicago Bears - Greg Olsen TE
32. Colts - Anthony Gonzalez WR

Jets traded 1st round, 2nd round and 5th for panthers 1st and 6th.
Jacksonville gets:#21, #86, #198

Denver gets:
#17

We have just flushed our organisation down the toliet. Its like Texans and saintsall over again.

Chucky the tree

Brady Quinn is the new Aaron Rodgers. At this rate, raiders could of taken CJ and then traded up for Brady, we are thick.

Manny7

Can't believe that Miami pick, what a joke. Great news for the Pats.

franglan

Any idea's /opinions when brady will go?
You can only look at kansas city really, can't you?

Chucky the tree

Jags could take him. A few team could trade up, bears and ravens could do with him. Chiefs now on the clock who could do with a QB.

Cleveland offered to trade up for cowboys.

Chucky the tree

Browns traded up for Quinn.

franglan

Cleveland have done well to draft joe thomas and brady quinn for their offense, good job.

Lirange

Browns gave up a lot to move up though.

Brady Quinn seems popular here. So my opinion that he is overrated probably won't go over well. The fact is the guy has rarely performed in the big games. He has accuracy issues and a propensity to make mental errors at critical points in games. Most of his stats were racked up against lesser competition.

Jamarr Russell is going to be a great player and the Raiders made the right decision. He has a cannon for an arm. He is more accurate and more technically skilled than Quinn. He also played better in the big games in his college career. He played against better competition day in and day out in the SEC (by far the toughest and deepest conference last year). Scouts do make errors and players don't always turn out to be as successful as projected. However, 30 of 32 teams had Russell rated ahead of Quinn on their charts. The odds that the highly paid scouting corps from that many teams would arrive at the same conclusion and end up wrong are rather remote. That is a solid consensus. Past quarterbacks selected high in the draft that turned out to be busts like Ryan Leaf (picked #2) were all over scouts' draft boards being slotted anywhere from first to sixth on team's charts.

As for Charles Johnson ... he is unproven because his stats weren't that impressive in college. People have tended to lay the blame for that on a poor quarterback at his university. Having a great a combine and having great athletic skills doesn't always translate onto the field. The Raiders can afford to pass on Johhson because the Wide Receiver position is the deepest in the league whereas difference making quarterbacks are a much rarer commodity. WR is not the greatest area of need and it is a position that is much easier to bolster through trades or the free agent market.

If anyone watched LSU vs Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl a couple months ago
you could see how Russell sees the field better and makes better decisions. Whereas Quinn had several brain farts where you just mutter to yourself "What the hell was he thinking?" The type of mistakes that can't be put on the offensive line or receivers running poor routes but rather just lapses that fall squarely on the QB's shoulders. It was just another in a long line of examples of how he couldn't deliver in the big games. His coach Weis has compared him to Tom Brady. He should know. He coached him. But sorry Charlie. Quinn doesn't have anywhere near the poise or the set of skills that Tom Brady posseses. Coaches will always support their players and a more frank assessment shows that there are too many question marks surrounding Quinn to make him worth the value of a Top 10 pick.

Chucky the tree

Lirange wrote:

If anyone watched LSU vs Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl a couple months ago
you could see how Russell sees the field better and makes better decisions. Whereas Quinn had several brain farts where you just mutter to yourself "What the hell was he thinking?" The type of mistakes that can't be put on the offensive line or receivers running poor routes but rather just lapses that fall squarely on the QB's shoulders. It was just another in a long line of examples of how he couldn't deliver in the big games. His coach Weis has compared him to Tom Brady. He should know. He coached him. But sorry Charlie. Quinn doesn't have anywhere near the poise or the set of skills that Tom Brady posseses. Coaches will always support their players and a more frank assessment shows that there are too many question marks surrounding Quinn to make him worth the value of a Top 10 pick.

Well, considering Brady went in the 6th round i wouldnt be too sure of that.

Lirange

I am comparing QB's. One to one. Irrespective of where they were chosen in the draft. Does Quinn have the potential to match what Brady has done? I say he doesn't.

On another note some are speculating that Detroit will trade Charles Johnson for a bundle of players. WRs are always a gamble as a high draft pick. The strike rate for that position is low relative to the hype sometimes. Everything they're saying about CJ now are precisely the same things they said about Charles Rogers a few years ago. Tall, athletic, and quick for his size, a T.O. without the attitude, etc etc. Very few of the league's best receivers were first round selections even though WRs are often the most highly touted and are drafted high frequently.

I think the Raiders drafted smartly in the first three rounds and addressed their needs.

dulpit

I reckon that was a very decent 1st round for the browns... Wonder where Mr. Heisman will go? Is it odd that he hasn't been drafted yet? Also, you'd kinda feel sorry for Quinn, all the time the talk was him no1 or 2 and he slipped big time for no obvious reason...

RuggieBear

troy smith wouldn't be a decent pro QB

Lirange

dulpit wrote:

Is it odd that he hasn't been drafted yet? Also, you'd kinda feel sorry for Quinn, all the time the talk was him no1 or 2 and he slipped big time for no obvious reason...

I do feel bad for him because all the hype wasn't his fault. If he played at most other decent competitive programs and not Notre Dame ... he would probably be a late first to early second rounder.

daveirl

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Chucky the tree

looks like it cost them a 5er, cheap *****. would of liked to off seen Kavin and co giving their opinions instead of repeating nfl network coverage.

tallaghtoutlaws

Firstly Brady Quinn will make it in the NFL Charlie Weiss gambled on him at Notre Dame and Brady Q did the job. He has the vision he has the arm and coached properly in the NFL will go on to good things. Why do people keep comparing him to Tom Brady at this stage???

JaMarcus Russell will be another McNabb, McNair etc etc type QB extremely storng in the pocket and if needs be he can move.

Troy Smith had a terrible combine but not only that he is an option QB NFL teams dont run the option half as much as college teams.

Lirange its Calvin Johnson not Charles and JaMarcus Russell not JaMarr:D And actually on the Calvin Johnson I seen him play at GT back when he was a sophmore and he was fantastic even back then. Was in Georgia and saw the Yellow Jackets play NC State. Johnson will live up to the hype.

Dodge

Troy Smith went to Baltimore in the 6th or 7th round. The QB of the national champions Chris Leak remained undrafted...

Speculation is that Baltimore will try Smith out as an option HB

RuggieBear

Dodge wrote:

Troy Smith went to Baltimore in the 6th or 7th round. The QB of the national champions Chris Leak remained undrafted...

Speculation is that Baltimore will try Smith out as an option HB

Leak is too small

Pherekydes

He's pretty much the same size and weight as Michael Vick.

Pop Quiz: Who was the last undrafted QB to have substantial success in the NFL? (Clue: recent)

RuggieBear

Slow coach wrote:

He's pretty much the same size and weight as Michael Vick.

Pop Quiz: Who was the last undrafted QB to have substantial success in the NFL? (Clue: recent)

He's no M Vick!

I would guess Romo or Warner...? Brady was drafted, wasn't he?

daveirl

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Dodge

Leak's size isn't his main problem. Any time I watched Florida last year he struggled. They alternated QBs regularly through a game too with guys coming in who were better runners/passers in deifferent 3rd down scenarios. Just posted above as an aside.

I'd guess Romo myself

Royale with Cheese

Ok I was watching this on tv very late last night. Don't know much about the game and even less about the draft system. I get the basic idea of what it's about but when thing start getting technical I don't know what's going on.

So they kept going on about Brady Quinn not getting picked. What's the significance of this? He doesn't have a say in where he plays does he? So why is it that important for him to be one of the first players picked? Does he get more money that way, or is just a matter of pride, or something else altogether?

dougal

Slow coach wrote:

Pop Quiz: Who was the last undrafted QB to have substantial success in the NFL? (Clue: recent)

Was Tony Romo drafted? Can't remember where he came from.

Chucky the tree

Romo was drafted i think. Wasnt drew brees?

Pherekydes

Hehe. I forgot about Warner. Delhomme was also undrafted, as was Romo.

tallaghtoutlaws

Tony Romo is the answer he was undrafted. Out of Eastern Illinois went into the 2003 Draft and went undrafted.

Dodge

Royale with Cheese wrote:

So they kept going on about Brady Quinn not getting picked. What's the significance of this? He doesn't have a say in where he plays does he? So why is it that important for him to be one of the first players picked? Does he get more money that way, or is just a matter of pride, or something else altogether?

Its mainly money, with a little bit of pride too. The higher up the drat you are the more bargaining power you have. Watching it on NFL network on Saturday they reckoned that if he was picked at 3 he'd have got $25m/year and each place he dropped cost him about $1m/year. Although his pride was probably hurt, if he'd have been picked by the Dallas Cowboys at 22 (who had that pick originally) he probably would've been happy as they're a better team and a far more succesful franchise. As it is he ended up with a rubbsh team and on less money.

On the undraft QB to have "substantial success" it depends how you qualify substantial. Warner is the last one to hvae won a superbowl (and be MVP etc) so Romo's success pales into insignificance compared with that

Pherekydes

Dodge wrote:

On the undraft QB to have "substantial success" it depends how you qualify substantial. Warner is the last one to hvae won a superbowl (and be MVP etc) so Romo's success pales into insignificance compared with that

Agreed. And Delhomme reached the SB, and had a great game.

Chucky the tree

Dodge wrote:

Its mainly money, with a little bit of pride too. The higher up the drat you are the more bargaining power you have. Watching it on NFL network on Saturday they reckoned that if he was picked at 3 he'd have got $25m/year and each place he dropped cost him about $1m/year. Although his pride was probably hurt, if he'd have been picked by the Dallas Cowboys at 22 (who had that pick originally) he probably would've been happy as they're a better team and a far more succesful franchise. As it is he ended up with a rubbsh team and on less money.

On the undraft QB to have "substantial success" it depends how you qualify substantial. Warner is the last one to hvae won a superbowl (and be MVP etc) so Romo's success pales into insignificance compared with that

Much better chance of starting with the browns though. Which when he starts and if he does well he will get the $. If he said at cowboys behind romo for a few years he would probaly end up like Aaron Rodgers.

Boomer23

RuggieBear wrote:

Leak is too small

Leak is only 3/8's of an inch shorter then Drew Brees, Smith is the same height as Brees.....and Doub Flutie had a nice career for himself and he was shorter then both of them.