Ridiculous live 1/2 hand

mdwexford

playing in the new casino in wexford last night, bought in for 400 and after a couple of hours had run it up to 1100 by only playing the nuts. six handed when this hand came up.

guy to my right straddles to 5
i make it twenty with Q-Q (im playing 1100)
short stack pushes all in for 125
short stack pushes all in for 100
next guy (who is pissed out of his mind) flat calls the 125 (playing about 2k)
next guy calls the 125 (playing about 2k)
original straddler calls the 125 (playing 200 behind)

i make it 400 to go
the drunk guy flat calls the 400
next guy calls the 400
next guy is all in for 325 total

board comes 4d-2d-4s

the drunk guy bets 400
the other guy with money left folds
i shove for my last 700
the guy insta calls.

the guy who was all in for 325 turns over 4-2 for a flopped full house
the drunk guy turns over Jd-5d for a flush draw

the flush hits on the turn and i get no help on the river.
i have been thinking about this hand non stop since it happened. should i have shoved pre-flop when it was made 125 instead of making it 400??
was 400 enough to raise it?? anyone else have played this much differently??

bops

firstly stop telling people where this game is!! ok????

ok A) call 100 quid raise and see a flop or
get it all in there and then

you know that these guys will call most raises with sh*t, the simple fact is that no matter what you're holding eg AA, it is very exploitable against these guys...that may sound stooopid (suits me!), but you double up with the nuts once, twice, or even 3 times....and then BANG - they take it all back with any2 stupid mofo cards. They don't give a sh*t about being down 2/3/5 k - the will push and push till they break you.

all im saying is peel of a flop (500 odd in pot) and take it from there, or put the lot in, they will consider folding suited 2 gappers for 1k, not for 300 quid!!

silly fu*kers - ah you'll get 'em back!!

i really need to make the spin down there - no ross tonight??

gl in kilarney if i don't see ya

shoutman

What is the name of this place? It sounds like a gold mine for players with any knowhow lol.

I can see this thread being moved to the bad beat sticky but tbh I'd at lost pot bet it. Still sick how anyone can call reraises with that muck.

bops

shoutman wrote:

What is the name of this place? It sounds like a gold mine for players with any bankroll lol.

[slightly ammended!]

I can see this thread being moved to the bad beat sticky but tbh I'd at lost pot bet it. Still sick how anyone can call reraises with that muck.

this is the important point - any monkey could beat these guys, but you require big balls and a big bankroll to do it sucessfully though - there are a couple of boardsies capable of the feat i'd say

Jools Poker

mdwexford wrote:

next guy (who is pissed out of his mind)

shouldn't be allowed sit at the table in the first place.....this is probably the most annoying thing in live cash games in casinos and simply should not happen.....if this is a new casino then I'd strongly suggest they sort this kinda thing out sooner rather than later as this only leads to problems of all sorts....

bops

Jools Poker wrote:

shouldn't be allowed sit at the table in the first place.....this is probably the most annoying thing in live cash games in casinos and simply should not happen.....if this is a new casino then I'd strongly suggest they sort this kinda thing out sooner rather than later as this only leads to problems of all sorts....

hi jools! (md is currently driving to a game so he can't answer - i'm his rep!)

I believe that this casino has a free bar and it is in their best interests to get the whole place pissed up and take all their money :rolleyes:

Jools Poker

hey Bops!


wow sounds you're in for a whole lotta fun down there!! But it would be my idea of hell.......free drinks in casinos in vegas is one thing...personally never saw it cause an issue....however in a premises full of Irish people I don't think it's going to work very well for the poker clientele.....when people know there's a place they can drink when all the pubs are closed (and for free!!!!!) you'll be plagued at the table....hope they've got capable dealers cos drunk people slow the game down too..am sure initially it'll be +ev for the casino in terms of the house games but the effect on the poker game can only be negative.... but hey good luck taking on the drunks down there.....just remember a drunk player is a player of the most dangerous kind!;)

jools

bops

i couldn't agree more with you Jools, i hate being at a poker table with really drunk people - i know they are sitting ducks, but i have both ethitical & patience issues!!

a couple of weeks ago i told a really drunk fella to go home and go to bed - and he did! - when he left i took abuse from the rest of the table for 30 mins - they weren't happy with only taking 400 quid from him, they wanted the rest! - he was so pis*ed up he couldn't even see his cards, and he fell off the chair when i told him to go home!

I know it's yerman's own stupid fault for turning up, but i personally think that taking his money is as bad a theft - may sound a bit strong, but that's my opinion!

valor

ur play is reasonable but v high variance because they will definitely call preflop now

i would prob just shove

LuckyLloyd

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nicnicnic

fold when your initial €20 get raised surly you know this can only end in tears


edit I think the 42os guy played it very well

Goodluck2me

i think the shoving advice is terrible to be honest. do you not want him to call with J6? FFS its a bad beat, you got your money in ahead **** happens etc. if it was a Queen high flop you do the same...
Just a bad beat. 400-500 is fine imo, you get the money in with the best of it. no ace/king and you shove standard. you have 2 guys with 2K plus behind you do want their money?
G-bucks are through the roof.

Jimmy Hoffa

You know where this thread belongs with phantom lord and kraken another boo hoo bad beat story.With ridiculous loose play like this you willmake the money back in no time provided u are not skint.A lot of bad beat merchants are always skint.

Jesus Wept

I think this is the easiest preflop shove I've seen in a while. I don't think its a big mistake to
just raise, I just think in this situation given, I wouldn't of bothered.

We have raised 20e after a live straddle, by the time it gets back around to us, there is 600e in the middle, we are playing 1100e,and we have almost no one to worry about.

The first person to act after us has shoved for 125 (we're not folding for this amount in a crazy live game), the next guy has shoved for 100.

The next guy would almost never flat call with AA or KK here, and its a crazy loose game and he is drunk. The 2 guys behind him have AA or KK here 0.0001% of the time here (essentially if they are on crack/first time playing/both)

I woudn't want to inducing any calls by raising a few hundred more, there is 600e out there, and you have 1100e. If you raise they are a couple of hundred more they probably both call, from the sounds of how they are playing and how it played out.

I would have no desire to see a flop with againest 4 players when holding QQ, if I can play againest 2 allin players for over '50%/600e at a 1-2 table' increase to my stack/wallet, and 40% (about) of the pot been dead money.

And maybe one of the 2 guys with stacks behind 'stick' you on AK, and call with two 9's or 10's, science knows, in these CrAzY live games!

Hectorjelly

Its hardly a big mistake not to shove, you want guys calling 1/3 of their stacks with j5s not folding. Also the original straddler only has 400 so there wont be any dead money.

The way the hand worked out (getting all in on flop as flush draw) is better than them folding preflop.

cardshark202

Almost tempting to stall back from oz to play this game. I do like wexford too.

RichieLawlor

nicnicnic wrote:

fold when your initial €20 get raised surly you know this can only end in tears


edit I think the 42os guy played it very well

It was 4 2 of spades Nicky. I was Guy behind the Jd 5d guy. I had As Ks

Half hour earlier i had the drunk and the 42 guy all in on a J 9 3 8 board in a 3,5k
pot i had Q T of course against 9 3 and J 9 but i couldnt fade that J on the river.

bops

RichieLawlor wrote:

I had As Ks.

don't put 20% of your stack in PF with AK you fish - also get some pool lessons

have fun over @ connies!

Ste05

RichieLawlor wrote:

It was 4 2 of spades Nicky. I was Guy behind the Jd 5d guy. I had As Ks

guy to my right straddles to 5
i make it twenty with Q-Q (im playing 1100)
short stack pushes all in for 125
short stack pushes all in for 100
next guy (who is pissed out of his mind) flat calls the 125 (playing about 2k)
next guy calls the 125 (playing about 2k)

Is this you??

Why didn't you raise??

phantom_lord

I'd probably just shove pf.

Jimmy Hoffa wrote:

You know where this thread belongs with phantom lord and kraken another boo hoo bad beat story.With ridiculous loose play like this you willmake the money back in no time provided u are not skint.A lot of bad beat merchants are always skint.

fcuk off i haven't posted a badbeat in fcuking ages!

BuChan

wow! that is game truly is RIDICOULOUS. i guess the smallish raise has it's merits but i think i'd just shove preflop, the pot was already pretty juicy and QQ can be somewhat difficult to play, if the board came with an A or a K of diamonds rather than the 2 the J5 genius would still bet his flushdraw in to you and you have tough decision and possibly/probably fold the best hand. maybe that's to hypothetical or results based or something like that, i'm new to this whole thing

Ste05

BuChan wrote:

QQ can be somewhat difficult to play,

Not really when the pot is over €2k and we only have €700 or so back...

As has been said above it's a higher variance play (the non-push raise when compared to the push), so I suppose it just depends on how risk averse you are. But certainly if we knew he was calling with J5s, or whatever it was, then we make the smaller raise everyday!!