Access Control and Time Clock Technology used with RFID?

nixon

I stumbled across this company (Irish Time Computing) for access control and recording staff hours:www.irishtimecomputing.com
Seems pretty good. But I wanted to know if there was this type of technology being used with RFID tags. In this way there would be no need to go searching in your bag for keys for access control. And time clocks and recorders would monitor employees without them having to check in, etc...
Let me know, thanks.

Martyr

nixon wrote:

I stumbled across this company (Irish Time Computing)

ROFL

so, basically you're advertising? thanks :rolleyes:
by the way, your technology is useless :P haha rephrase, RFID is WORTHLESS for timekeeping

Anybody who wants to keep track of employees, look elsewhere!!!

nigerian 419 letters had me more interested, maybe you should employ some of those guys hahahaha

nixon

Average Joe wrote:

ROFL

so, basically you're advertising? thanks :rolleyes:
by the way, your technology is useless :P haha rephrase, RFID is WORTHLESS for timekeeping

Anybody who wants to keep track of employees, look elsewhere!!!

nigerian 419 letters had me more interested, maybe you should employ some of those guys hahahaha

Thanks Average Joe for your unhelpful comments. If you read the post correctly I was trying to figure out if the technology on that website was offered by anyone using RFID. Surely you can see the advantages in it?!?

Martyr

Thanks Average Joe for your unhelpful comments. If you read the post correctly I was trying to figure out if the technology on that website was offered by anyone using RFID. Surely you can see the advantages in it?!?

sorry, i assumed on your number of posts, and a previous thread by "cano" that you were advertising..my mistake.
i did check out the brochure for the first option, based on hardware, which would be RFID i guess.

Timelog brochure

then i did a google for "synel" "rfid" and "timelog" and came to bartronics

you'll notice that one of their associates is synel, so..i would guess that synel buy/sell a whole range of hardware (including rfid) depending on what the customer wanted.

i suppose it works well enough..but there are flaws in rfid technology currently.
if an employees presence at work is based on an ID being in proximity of a reader, like their site say readers have a range of "3km" that doesn't necessarily guarantee the person with the ID is within 3km unless you plant it in his body. even then, you could get a way around it, suppose it depends on how desperate you are to dodge work.

EDIT:the more i think about it, the whole concept seems ridiculous..i mean, RFIDs are for cattle..haha not employees
i take it back, we should all be tagged, and obey orders...big brother

nixon

Average Joe wrote:

sorry, i assumed on your number of posts, and a previous thread by "cano" that you were advertising..my mistake.
i did check out the brochure for the first option, based on hardware, which would be RFID i guess.

Timelog brochure

then i did a google for "synel" "rfid" and "timelog" and came to bartronics

you'll notice that one of their associates is synel, so..i would guess that synel buy/sell a whole range of hardware (including rfid) depending on what the customer wanted.

i suppose it works well enough..but there are flaws in rfid technology currently.
if an employees presence at work is based on an ID being in proximity of a reader, like their site say readers have a range of "3km" that doesn't necessarily guarantee the person with the ID is within 3km unless you plant it in his body. even then, you could get a way around it, suppose it depends on how desperate you are to dodge work.

EDIT:the more i think about it, the whole concept seems ridiculous..i mean, RFIDs are for cattle..haha not employees
i take it back, we should all be tagged, and obey orders...big brother

RFIDs in Cattle: definately. In Employees... must probably!
Think about the McDonalds store worker that is meant to be working at the till. The tag can be implanted on a collar of the uniform or even the name tag with the receiver at the cash desk.
A quick and random inspection of tags to make sure employee haven't tampered with them is a hell of a lot easier and less time consuming than having to check each and every employee in and out every day!

Thanks for the info Joe. Although I was hoping to find somewhere a bit closer to home than India;) !

Hobbes

nixon wrote:

A quick and random inspection of tags to make sure employee haven't tampered with them is a hell of a lot easier and less time consuming than having to check each and every employee in and out every day!

Just leave your badge under the desk where you are supposed to be working. Hey presto your a model employee.

nixon

Hobbes wrote:

Just leave your badge under the desk where you are supposed to be working. Hey presto your a model employee.

Nice one Hobbo.
We're talking about check-in and check-out times, not check-to-see-if Mr Hobbes if pulling his plum while meant to be at the cash desk!

Hobbes

How does that benefit over a time card system? Just get someone else to bring your badge in for you.

Capt'n Midnight

Maybe the range is short because they want you to go through the physical action of "clocking in" or so you can hear the beep / see the led change colour. There are no technical reasons why they couldn't change just the reader and fobs to a longer range technology.

How many companies have readers near hip height so you could leave the tag in your pocket ??

Having it in you bag many mean it's in a faraday cage ( like what you'd put an Irish passport into) or at home because you forgot it.

Maybe you could up the power of the carrier wave so the tag could transmit from further away. You could probably do it by having a second device transmitting instead of mucking around with the reader. 13.56 Mhz is a common frequency used.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48760

A Cincinnati company is requiring any employee who works in its secure data center to be implanted with a microchip.

a typical system would have maximum read ranges between 2.5cm and 60cm depending on the combination of reader and token you choose.

60 cm is interesting as you might be able to mount both sides of a door-way and possibly catch most people on the way in.

nixon

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Maybe the range is short because they want you to go through the physical action of "clocking in" or so you can hear the beep / see the led change colour. There are no technical reasons why they couldn't change just the reader and fobs to a longer range technology.

How many companies have readers near hip height so you could leave the tag in your pocket ??

Having it in you bag many mean it's in a faraday cage ( like what you'd put an Irish passport into) or at home because you forgot it.

Maybe you could up the power of the carrier wave so the tag could transmit from further away. You could probably do it by having a second device transmitting instead of mucking around with the reader. 13.56 Mhz is a common frequency used.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48760

a typical system would have maximum read ranges between 2.5cm and 60cm depending on the combination of reader and token you choose.

60 cm is interesting as you might be able to mount both sides of a door-way and possibly catch most people on the way in.

Hi Midnight, good point!
Although I wasn't trying to make the case for long range technology and I can of course see the advantages in having it short-range. What I am trying to say is that, there are benfits to using RFID tags (maybe on a specific uniform that must be worn). It eliminates confusion and to a large extent - human error. And dare I say it... could even be used to gather info without the employees knowing :eek: !

Capt'n Midnight

nixon wrote:

And dare I say it... could even be used to gather info without the employees knowing :eek: !

you mean like the way they could trace your movements if you use a company mobile phone.